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The best 50 cricketers Salamuddin has seen

The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't usually have the time to volunteer for much on here, but I'd be more than happy to correllate everyone's lists and calculate the points to present the final 50 (or 25) if and when this goes ahead.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
The Sean said:
I don't usually have the time to volunteer for much on here, but I'd be more than happy to correllate everyone's lists and calculate the points to present the final 50 (or 25) if and when this goes ahead.
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:blink: Quoted for posterity! :p

That'll be one hell of a job if this goes through. Almost worthy of an honourary poster-title.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Richard said:
:blink: Quoted for posterity! :p

That'll be one hell of a job if this goes through. Almost worthy of an honourary poster-title.
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:laugh: I'd love to do it! If for no other reason than I get to hog the glory and present the countdown... ;)
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
TBH I'd be happiest to say post-1930 myself, for several reasons I can go into if desired.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Thats interesting let me also try to list mine. Here they are by country as they come to mind.

India
  1. Umrigar
  2. Manjrekar
  3. Pataudi
  4. Jaisimha
  5. Durrani
  6. Prasanna
  7. Bedi
  8. Chandrashekhar
  9. Gavaskar
  10. Vishwanath
  11. Kapil Dev
  12. Vengsarkar
  13. Mohinder Amarnath
  14. Azharuddin
  15. Tendulkar
  16. Dravid
  17. Kumble
  18. Laxman

Pakistan

  1. Hanif
  2. Fazal Mehmood
  3. Mushtaq Mohammad
  4. Saeed Ahmed
  5. Intekhab Alam
  6. Majid Khan
  7. Zaheer Abbas
  8. Imran Khan
  9. Javed Miandad
  10. Inzemaam
  11. Saeed Anwar
  12. Waqar Younis
  13. Wasim Akram
  14. Mohammad Yousuf

England

  1. Ted Dexter
  2. Colin Cowdrey
  3. Barrington
  4. John Edrich
  5. D'Oliviera
  6. David Gower
  7. Derek Underwood
  8. John Snow
  9. Geoff Boycott
  10. Alan Knott
  11. Bob Taylor
  12. Botham
  13. Atherton
  14. Flintoff
  15. Vaughan

AUSTRALIA
  1. Lawry
  2. Simpson
  3. Oneill
  4. McKenzie
  5. Ian Chappell
  6. Greg Chappell
  7. Doug Walters
  8. Mallett
  9. Marsh
  10. Lillee
  11. Thomson
  12. Alan Border
  13. Kim Hughes
  14. McDermott
  15. S Waugh
  16. M Waugh
  17. Shane Warne
  18. Glen McGrat
  19. Matthew hayden
  20. Gilchrist

Windies

  1. Sobers
  2. Hunte
  3. Hall
  4. Gibbs
  5. Kanhai
  6. Murray
  7. Lloyd
  8. Roberts
  9. Holding
  10. Garner
  11. Walsh
  12. Ambrose
  13. Croft
  14. Bishop
  15. Kallicharan
  16. Rowe
  17. Richardson
  18. Greenidge
  19. Haynes
  20. Marshall
  21. Dujon
  22. Harper (one of the greatest fielders)
  23. Hooper
  24. Lara

NewZealand
  1. Sutcliffe
  2. John Reid
  3. Collinge
  4. Turner
  5. Hadlee
  6. Crowe Martin
  7. Chris Cairns
  8. Fleming
  9. Vettori
  10. Bond

Sri Lanka
  1. Wettimuni
  2. Dias
  3. Mendis
  4. Madugalle
  5. ranatunga
  6. Arvinda D'Silva
  7. Mahanama
  8. Tilakratne
  9. Attapattu
  10. Jayasuriya
  11. Murali
  12. Vaas
  13. Jayawardane
  14. Sangakarra

South Africa

  1. Wessels
  2. Cronje
  3. Rhodes
  4. Donald
  5. Kirsten Gary
  6. Pollock
  7. Kallis
  8. Boucher
  9. Ntini
  10. Smith

Thats 125 now to prune that :(
 
R_D

R_D

International Debutant
Perm said:
He has a point. Australia were the best team in the world when Donald was playing and for one reason or another, he couldn't replicate his sucess against other nations for Australia.
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You wonder why the same did not apply for Inzi thou.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Beat me to it R_D. Just curious (because its stupid to criticise a list), but Inzy has a poor record vs. Aus when compared with Lara and Sachin. He's pretty damn high still.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Salamu = Pakistani.

It's as unavoidable as Warne being an Aussie. Salamu doesn't just remember Inzy for his (relative - I think like Donald's against Australia Inzy's is overstated) failures against Aus, but rather for his brilliance on any number of occasions.

Similarly, I, almost certainly AAD's 2nd biggest fan on this board, am unlikely to put him below many if any.
 
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The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
It's probably fair to say we all have our degrees of bias toward our favourites or those we saw a lot of, and Salamuddin I daresay saw enough of Inzy against other nations to not hold his poor record against Australia with as much weighting as Donald's due to not having seen as much of AAD.

I don't agree, and my personal rankings have Donald considerably higher than Inzy. But by the same token I can be just as prone to such analytical anomalies in that I'm probably more likely to hold Botham's relative failures against the Windies against him more than DK Lillee's much discussed difficulties/un-provenness in Asia, or will tend to overlook Warney's poor record against India to a point due to seeing him produce so many other astounding performances.
 
R_D

R_D

International Debutant
Richard said:
Sala = Pakistani.

It's as unavoidable as Warne being an Aussie. Sala doesn't just remember Inzy for his (relative - I think like Donald's against Australia Inzy's is overstated) failures against Aus, but rather for his brilliance on any number of occasions.

Similarly, I, almost certainly AAD's 2nd biggest fan on this board, am unlikely to put him below many if any.
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Just for you Richard.. i wouldn't be calling him Sala..... its not nice to call people sala :p

In hindi Sala means wife's brother and its also a rude word as well.
edit- word has 2 meanings.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Ok here is my final fifty

In the order of openers, Other batsmen, all rounders, keepers, spinners, pacers

Australia
  1. Simpson
  2. Lawry
  3. Hayden
  4. Greg Chappell
  5. Doug Walters
  6. SteveWaugh
  7. Alan Border
  8. Healy
  9. Gilchrist
  10. Warne
  11. Lillee
  12. McGrath

Windies
  1. Hunte
  2. Greenidge
  3. Richards
  4. Kanhai
  5. Lara
  6. Lloyd
  7. Sobers
  8. Hall
  9. Roberts
  10. Holding
  11. Garner
  12. Ambrose
  13. marshall

ENGLAND
  1. Boycott
  2. Dexter
  3. Cowdrey
  4. Barrington
  5. Botham
  6. Knott
  7. Bob Taylor
  8. John Snow

INDIA
  1. Gavaskar
  2. Tendulkar
  3. Dravid
  4. Vishwanath
  5. Kapil Dev
  6. Prasanna
  7. Bedi

PAKISTAN
  1. Haneef
  2. Zaheer
  3. Miandaad
  4. Imran
  5. Waqar
  6. Wasim

SRI LANKA
  1. Arvinda D'Silva
  2. Murali

NEW ZEALAND
  1. Sutcliffe
  2. Hadlee

SOUTH AFRICA ZIMBABWE
  1. Andy Flower
  2. Donald

I added Zimbabwe and South Africa afterwards making it 52. Maybe I will bracket Flower with Gilchrist as a batsman keeper and bracket Garner and Ambrose together :)
 
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Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
SJS said:
Ok here is my final fifty

In the order of openers, Other batsmen, all rounders, keepers, spinners, pacers

Australia
  1. Simpson
  2. Lawry
  3. Hayden
  4. Greg Chappell
  5. Doug Walters
  6. SteveWaugh
  7. Alan Border
  8. Healy
  9. Gilchrist
  10. Warne
  11. Lillee
  12. McGrath

Windies
  1. Hunte
  2. Greenidge
  3. Richards
  4. Kanhai
  5. Lara
  6. Lloyd
  7. Sobers
  8. Hall
  9. Roberts
  10. Holding
  11. Garner
  12. Ambrose
  13. marshall

ENGLAND
  1. Boycott
  2. Dexter
  3. Cowdrey
  4. Barrington
  5. Botham
  6. Knott
  7. Bob Taylor
  8. John Snow

INDIA
  1. Gavaskar
  2. Tendulkar
  3. Dravid
  4. Vishwanath
  5. Kapil Dev
  6. Prasanna
  7. Bedi

PAKISTAN
  1. Haneef
  2. Zaheer
  3. Miandaad
  4. Imran
  5. Waqar
  6. Wasim

SRI LANKA
  1. Arvinda D'Silva
  2. Murali

NEW ZEALAND
  1. Sutcliffe
  2. Hadlee

SOUTH AFRICA ZIMBABWE
  1. Andy Flower
  2. Donald

I added Zimbabwe and South Africa afterwards making it 52. Maybe I will bracket Flower with Gilchrist as a batsman keeper and bracket Garner and Ambrose together :)
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I knew that Malcolm Marshall was a bit special - doesn't get a CAPS while everyone else does. :p
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Richard said:
TBH I'd be happiest to say post-1930 myself, for several reasons I can go into if desired.
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Is there a specific reason for post-1930 as opposed to post-WWI?

Either way, would be great to get this exercise going, whether it's CW's best of all time or just best since 1900/1930/etc.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
1930 was when many things started - pitches which we'd recognise today; newsreel coverage with sound which enabled us to properly assess players.

Not much changed between 1939 and 1945, really, apart from the tragic loss of several players. At least, as far as I'm aware.

1930 seems a pivotal cricketing point, rather than a pivotal socialogical point, to draw the line.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Richard said:
1930 was when many things started - pitches which we'd recognise today; newsreel coverage with sound which enabled us to properly assess players.

Not much changed between 1939 and 1945, really, apart from the tragic loss of several players. At least, as far as I'm aware.

1930 seems a pivotal cricketing point, rather than a pivotal socialogical point, to draw the line.
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Agree with that mate, but was actually asking why not post-WWI rather post-WWII, as to me there wasn't a lot of difference between cricket in the 1920s and cricket in the 1930s. There was, however, a pretty substantial difference between pre-WWI and post-WWI.
 
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