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[Sanz]

Karthik has returned as a completely different batsman in his second stint, so why are you bringing his feats from years back into the equation? Let's see what Karthik has done as a test opener.

As always you are too quick to judge his second stint. Let him play few tests before we can declare him a test opener.

 

[adharcric]

It does, especially if you are going to keep wickets in India.

He can keep well against spin and pace. Nothing else matters.

Also, Right now he is young, extremely fit and his reflexes are quick so it may not matter much, but in a few years time when his reflexes won't be as quick, he will be ordinary.

Your point? That applies to everyone ...

Besides, What's the point of him being so good behind the stumps if he is not keeping the wickets ? Of may be I should ask this, If he is so good as a wicket keeper, why is he not keeping wickets ? Is he selected as a wicket keeper or as a batsman or both ?

He is a reserve keeper and a specialist batsman in this squad. Dhoni is keeping because they want to play both and Karthik >>> Dhoni in the field, he's athletic and versatile.

EDIT: Spot on EWS.

 

[Prince EWS]

As always you are too quick to judge his second stint. Let him play few tests before we can declare him a test opener.

And let him play a few games before we declare him not one. He's currently occupying the position and has done quite a good job of it so far - dropping him now would be completely unjustified.

 

[Pratters]

Disagree. FC stats can help selectors identify candidates for national selection but they should not make too much of a difference after that. Once you are in test cricket, the only thing that matters is what you do in test cricket. Karthik has looked quite good as a test opener thus far, apart from yesterday's dimissal. Give him a chance - he's earned it.

FC stats can some times be wrong to judge who is a specialist batsman and who is not (which is why I said more often than not). I am not really convinced that Karthik is a batsman good enough that we can him as a specialist batsman while having Dhoni too in the team.

Karthik has returned as a completely different batsman in his second stint, so why are you bringing his feats from years back into the equation? Let's see what Karthik has done as a test opener:

- promoted as an emergency option against a good attack in difficult conditions, he outperforms all of the specialist batsmen in the team in a pressure situation
- bashed Bangladesh, as any test batsman should
- dismissed by Sidebottom in swing-friendly conditions

So you're telling me that this one dismissal is enough to conclude that he can't open in test cricket? Nope.

I took his full career to show that when the sample size is bigger, he is average. I can understand you not giving it due importance though (not being sarcastic). Look, we have tried such options before. Deep Dasgupta, Nayan Mongia, Parthiv Patel. Just because some one has a few good innings, they do not become batsmen all of a sudden.

Good discussion. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[adharcric]

FC stats can some times be wrong to judge who is a specialist batsman and who is not (which is why I said more often than not). I am not really convinced that Karthik is a batsman good enough that we can him as a specialist batsman while having Dhoni too in the team.

Fair enough. Give him a chance to prove you wrong.

I took his full career to show that when the sample size is bigger, he is average. I can understand you not giving it due importance though (not being sarcastic). Look, we have tried such options before. Deep Dasgupta, Nayan Mongia, Parthiv Patel. Just because some one has a few good innings, they do not become batsmen all of a sudden.

Good discussion. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.

That's not really an accurate sample size - it virtually encompasses two distinct players: Karthik v1 and Karthik v2. Basically, Karthik's case as a test opener is far from closed. Give me six converted/non-specialist batsmen who consistently score runs and I won't complain. Will you?

 

[Pratters]

That's not really an accurate sample size - it virtually encompasses two distinct players: Karthik v1 and Karthik v2. Basically, Karthik's case as a test opener is far from closed. Give me six converted/non-specialist batsmen who consistently score runs and I won't complain. Will you?

a) You consider it distinct worthy which is fair enough. I don't. For me his test career as a whole is more indicative. Which is why I said I can understand if you don't look at it the same way. It is subjective really.

b) In the history of cricket, how many non specialist batsmen have become specialist batsmen at the international level? I can think of a few but not many.

c) We have had far too many similar runs given to keepers and other players (hell we even made Pathan an opener) which makes me highly pessimistic that he is a specialist opener now.

As I said earlier, Dravid must have immense confidence in him. I am not convinced really though.

Cheers.

 

[Perm]

I watched Karthik bat in South Africa and he looked a tidy player who could make a bit of a knack for himself as a Test opener, not that I agreed with it. However, he looked totally clueless against Ryan Sidebottom in this game and I wasn't at all surprised when he was out early. I'm hoping for his, and India's sake that he plays better in the second innings, because he could well find himself thrown the keepers gloves if Dhoni doesn't perform.

 

[adharcric]

How's the forecast?

 

[Turbinator]

How's the forecast?

The sun's out and the skies are blue according to Cricinfo.

 

[four_or_six]

The sun's out and the skies are blue according to Cricinfo.

It looks nice and sunny on TV

 

[four_or_six]

How much do people think England will attack today in an attempt to get into a winning position?

 

[Turbinator]

Wooohooo wicket for India. Finally! You too get back in there Vaughan, and don't hurt your fragile body on the way back.

 

[adharcric]

RPS bowling quite well in this match. Good to see with Munaf missing out.

 

[headhunter]

Vaughan's gone what a ball by singh
Hope collingwood can do well now.

 

[Perm]

Good bowling by RP.

 

[Pratters]

Awesome. What is the weather forecast for today and tomorrow?

 

[adharcric]

Awesome. What is the weather forecast for today and tomorrow?

Today is good, rain predicted tomorrow I think.

 

[Pratters]

I think.

Not good enough. Some one use some official weather sites to get official info. This is important stuff!

 

[four_or_six]

Here we go again.

 

[adharcric]

Haha, how was that SS? Indian seamer bouncing out an English batsman!