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Battle of the Rugby World Cup players
- Thread starter BoyBrumby
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Jonah Lomu
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Good to see a kiwi win.
Hopefully we will see another Jonah sometime...
Hopefully we will see another Jonah sometime...
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For all the New Zealanders who saw Michael Jones in the 1987 World Cup:
What does Jonah have over Michael Jones?
Might sound irrelevant, but I thought the person who won this should have at least won a world cup. I think there's a couple of cases better than Jonah's...
What does Jonah have over Michael Jones?
Might sound irrelevant, but I thought the person who won this should have at least won a world cup. I think there's a couple of cases better than Jonah's...
Fiery
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Jonah's WC performances in '95 and '99, particularly his 4 try effort over England in '95, took playing rugby to another level. He introduced a new world to the game when his feats were shown on sports news's in countries that didn't usually follow the game. When I was travelling through Brazil a Brazilian guy asked me where I was from. When I told him NZ he immediately said "ah, Jonah Lomu". He didn't know the name of any other rugby player. Never before had a player that size been so fast and destructive and we haven't seen one since.
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Michael Jones was a far greater player than Lomu, but Lomu was a Superstar and so he won this poll. Simple really.
BoyBrumby
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Probably fair enough. It's easier for the non-union fan to appreciate Lomu's talent than Jones's tho. Given it's such a specialised sport in a lot of positions it is hard to separate players on anything other than gut instinct because you aren't comparing like for like.
Think "far greater" is a bit of an exaggeration tho, good as Jones was.
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Joens usually gets rated as one of the best All Blacks ever in NZ. As high as #3 on a list they did toward the end of the 90s.
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They moved to another board.
e-mail me somehow.
e-mail me somehow.
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Another board? One of my e-mails is francis_okeeffe@hotmail.com. I don't have your e-mail so you can tell me what's happened New Zealander...
Back on topic...
Lomu was the star of the '95 world cup and escaped from the ''99 world cup with his reputation in tact. But so did Kirwan and Jones.
Lomu couldn't dream of scoring the try Kirwan did in 1987. 'Not forgetting Kirwan scoring a fine try in the final despite being in great pain. Kirwan, while embarrassed by Campese in the '91 semi final (not a knock on Kirwan, Campese was just that good), had a great second half where he tried to inspire a NZ victory. You know Daniel, more than anybody, that I rate Lomu and get annoyed when you don't give him credit, but it's easy for people to understand why Lomu was great whereas they may not appreciate Jones. Lomu is a megastar because he's easy to get, not because he's this great player.Jones was unaminously dubbed the world's best player in 1987 and was the star of that tournament, perhaps moreso than Lomu, it's just that Lomu is easier to get. Such transparency shouldn't influence this poll. I understand why Lomu did so well and I'm glad he did... but there's plenty of world cup stuff Lomu couldn't dream of doing because he's not as skilled as Kirwan.
I probably would have given the thing to Campese, because while Lomu was held at bay in the '95 final, when Campese played a good defensive team in New Zealand in 1991 he did gamebreaking stuff not even Serge Blanco could do. No other player in the world would have tried what he did, let alone pull it off... you just can't counteract stuff like that. I know he didn't score in the final, but that was down to one unlucky bounce of the ball. Lomu was beaten in the final by South Africa... Fitzpatrick said it best of Campese that when he got that first try that was almost the game, because you know when things are so tight that such gamebreaking genius wins you games.
Lomu was the star of the '95 world cup and escaped from the ''99 world cup with his reputation in tact. But so did Kirwan and Jones.
Lomu couldn't dream of scoring the try Kirwan did in 1987. 'Not forgetting Kirwan scoring a fine try in the final despite being in great pain. Kirwan, while embarrassed by Campese in the '91 semi final (not a knock on Kirwan, Campese was just that good), had a great second half where he tried to inspire a NZ victory. You know Daniel, more than anybody, that I rate Lomu and get annoyed when you don't give him credit, but it's easy for people to understand why Lomu was great whereas they may not appreciate Jones. Lomu is a megastar because he's easy to get, not because he's this great player.Jones was unaminously dubbed the world's best player in 1987 and was the star of that tournament, perhaps moreso than Lomu, it's just that Lomu is easier to get. Such transparency shouldn't influence this poll. I understand why Lomu did so well and I'm glad he did... but there's plenty of world cup stuff Lomu couldn't dream of doing because he's not as skilled as Kirwan.
I probably would have given the thing to Campese, because while Lomu was held at bay in the '95 final, when Campese played a good defensive team in New Zealand in 1991 he did gamebreaking stuff not even Serge Blanco could do. No other player in the world would have tried what he did, let alone pull it off... you just can't counteract stuff like that. I know he didn't score in the final, but that was down to one unlucky bounce of the ball. Lomu was beaten in the final by South Africa... Fitzpatrick said it best of Campese that when he got that first try that was almost the game, because you know when things are so tight that such gamebreaking genius wins you games.
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There's also plenty of Lomu tries that Kirwan wouldn't have a hope of scoring.
Lomu > Kirwan
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In World Cups or overall?
Fiery
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Both
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Disagree (again
), as a World Cup player I wouldn't hesitate in calling Lomu better, but overall I think Kirwan has it.