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Shoaib 2, Asif 1. Both banned

Xuhaib

International Coach
Dravid said:
No Fraz I'm not just talking about you, my post was also pointed to other people like BhupinderSingh who believe Asif's punishment was too harsh
Any player who tests positive deseve to get some sort of punishment and Asif is no exception. What me and some of the other posters feel is that Asif was unfortunate to get caught because he was never given a proper education on what he should take and what he should not and his village upbringing and lack of acadamic education did not help matters.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Xuhaib said:
Any player who tests positive deseve to get some sort of punishment and Asif is no exception. What me and some of the other posters feel is that Asif was unfortunate to get caught because he was never given a proper education on what he should take and what he should not and his village upbringing and lack of acadamic education did not help matters.

He got all the information about designer cloths, designer sunglasses, he got information about imported cars, only information he didn't get wast about Drugs.
 

Craig

World Traveller
TT Boy said:
Why not, pretty simple procedure pissing into jar. Astonished that Shoaib has only best tested twice in his career, American sportsman are tested more frequently than that.
I think every other sport is tested pretty hard.

In cycling for example the UCI (the International Cycling Union in English) are now looking at bringing in DNA tests which is not surprisngly is not going down to well. Even with your point about American sportspeople, even British athletes have to let the British Anti-Doping Authority a week in advance where they will be for at least one hour a day, whether it is in their own home or abroad so if they feel like testing them they will and I think it is similar in the States as well.

If these two have been tested a few times throughout their careers, who is to say other cricketers haven't been taking drugs when there isn't a major history of performance enhancing drug related scandals.

If this doesn't push the ICC to become a lot tougher then nothing will. This is a fairly big topic for me so I'm game.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Clapo said:
Both Ban's seem fair IMO. Akhtar did nothing to help his cause by refusing to tests, and refusing to name the medicines & those who gave them to him. His attitude imo was not that of an entirely innocent man.

Feel a little sympathy for Asif, but still, the onus is on him to make sure he knows what he's taking, and whether or not it's a banned substance. Ignorance should be no excuse

Overall, the PCB must be commended for penalising both men, as it would've been just as easy to sweep the whole issue under the carpet, especially seeing as they were star players.
Agreed it is a players job to grill the people giving them these drugs and what is in it.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Dasa said:
As far as I can see, Xuhaib nor most people (probably none) are saying that it is an excuse.
But they are using it to call for a small or non-existant ban...
 

FRAZ

International Captain
Sanz said:
He got all the information about designer cloths, designer sunglasses, he got information about imported cars, only information he didn't get wast about Drugs.
In his last interview on Geo , he mentioned that he does not have a car and offcourse he took drugs and followed a player or two but the thing is "we are still in doubt that he can read the ingridients on the back of the medicine box properly " . And offcourse he took some clothings from the liberty market too to wear on . And btw for the sake of argument what designer clothings are you talking about ?
 
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Dravid

International Captain
Just saw this on Sport Center here in India. The ban on both players will be "reviewed" and the length of the ban might change.
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
Geo News- WADA has cleared Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif of doping charges- no details given just the little slide at the bottom of the screen..
 

no1_gangsta_786

U19 Cricketer
Yeh heard that aswell...Quite pleased that Asif wont be banned again. He can now focus on gettin back to fulfilling his potential.
 

JBMAC

State Captain
Court drops Pakistan cricket dope cases
Monday July 2, 7:25 PM
AAP

Pakistan fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif look set to escape any further doping sanctions after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) said it was unable to hear their case.

In a statement, CAS said it was forced to dismiss an appeal brought by the World Anti-Doping Agency since the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) does not recognise the court in its regulations.
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Shoaib and Asif were handed two-year and one-year bans in November 2006 by the PCB's Anti-Doping Commission after testing positive for the banned steroid nandrolone, but the punishment was controversially lifted one month later by the board's Anti-Doping Appeals Committee.

Announcing its decision "with considerable regret", CAS said its rules "require that a direct reference to the CAS be contained in the statutes or regulations of the body whose decision is being appealed."

This,in my humble opinion, is a travesty of justice. They,Shoaib and Asif, have been given a "get out of jail " card for free.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Absolute disgrace as expected. The ICC is not without blame because "ICC's code did not contain any rules that obliged the Pakistan board to allow appeals to CAS" (Cricinfo). I expect PCB not to allow appeals to CAS - it's up to the people of Pakistan to decide whether they're happy to have a board that basically aids cheats.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Absolute disgrace as expected. The ICC is not without blame because "ICC's code did not contain any rules that obliged the Pakistan board to allow appeals to CAS" (Cricinfo). I expect PCB not to allow appeals to CAS - it's up to the people of Pakistan to decide whether they're happy to have a board that basically aids cheats.
That makes no sense. If they wanted to allow cheats, they would follow India's lead and not drug test their players at all. I expect the PCB code to be amended very quickly.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That makes no sense. If they wanted to allow cheats, they would follow India's lead and not drug test their players at all. I expect the PCB code to be amended very quickly.
From what I remember they only did drugs tests on the insistence of the late Bob Woolmer. Those tests turned out to be a lot of use obviously, not to mention the evasion of later drugs tests for Shoaib and Asif (in the World Cup and separate testing).
 
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Fusion

Global Moderator
From what I remember they only did drugs tests on the insistence of the late Bob Woolmer. Those tests turned out to be a lot of use obviously, not to mention the evasion of later drugs tests for Shoaib and Asif (in the World Cup and separate testing).
Woolmer was in favor of drug testing, but he had no strong pull over the board to force them to adopt that policy. The critics seem to forget that the PCB voluntarily adopted this policy. Sure they didn't handle the whole issue properly, but they should be given credit for trying. All Pakistani players are now aware that drug testing will be conducted and if they dope, they're going to test positive. So the PCB has laid a good groundwork for the future.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Both Shoaib and Asif missed the World Cup and more for some reason or another. Good enough for me, couldn't care less at this point.
 

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