***Official** West Indies in England***

[GIMH]

Big call, the West Indies batting lineup (Chanderpaul aside) is fairly brittle.

I just fancy us to get a big score tbh, and was then referring to the fact that last year we scord 551-6 dec twice, and won on neither occasion

 

[Perm]

If indeed that is the case, I'd fancy Hoggard to eat the left-handers for breakfast and if he does I'll be very annoyed we didn't pick Anderson ahead of Panesar who I can't see doing anything of note on this pitch.

Mind, we haven't seen Gayle bowl yet.

Definately, I can see Hoggard owning Gayle,Smith and Chanderpaul. I daresay Monty will pick up a couple of scalps, but Anderson would have been more threatening and more expensive.

Now Richard, do you clas**** that as a chance? Strauss edges but it drops infront of Gayle at 1st slip.

 

[Prince EWS]

When you go at 4 an over in the 1st hour of a test match in conditions suited to seam and quick bowling and fail to pick up a wicket it is fair to say the bowling has been very poor early.

Just hope for their sake the spinner does a better job...oh wait

They do have Chris Gayle. I think his existance at the top of the order is one of the reasons they rarely pick a spinner really - his test record with the ball isn't attrocious.

 

[Richard]

Now Richard, do you clas**** that as a chance? Strauss edges but it drops infront of Gayle at 1st slip.

No, not at all. Dropped short, they should have been standing closer (and might from now on) but weren't and hence it was never going to be caught.

 

[social]

No, not at all. Dropped short, they should have been standing closer (and might from now on) but weren't and hence it was never going to be caught.

But a decent second slipper would've at least got a hand on it.

Anyway, whilst I dont mind any of the 4 main WI bowlers individually, as a unit I'm struggling to recall a worse test attack put on the field by a major country

Any suggestions?

 

[Richard]

But a decent second slipper would've at least got a hand on it.

Even if that was so, which is not a certainty, the fact is the fielder was who he was, and he had no chance of getting anything on it, never mind a whole hand.

Anyway, whilst I dont mind any of the 4 main WI bowlers individually, as a unit I'm struggling to recall a worse test attack put on the field by a major country

Any suggestions?

West Indies have had many of late. We had one last winter too.

 

[Prince EWS]

But a decent second slipper would've at least got a hand on it.

Anyway, whilst I dont mind any of the 4 main WI bowlers individually, as a unit I'm struggling to recall a worse test attack put on the field by a major country

Any suggestions?

How about Dillon, Edwards, Drakes and Collymore?

Bravo is better than Drakes - statistically anyway. Powell is better than Edwards (and if that's in any way debatable today, he's certainly better than Edwards was back then.) Dillon had his moments, but he was certainly fairly dire around the time that test was played, and Collymore and Collymore match up, obviously.

 

[Richard]

Collymore and Collymore match up, obviously.

Nope, Collymore is clearly nowhere near the force he was.
[/Pedant-mode]

TBH, there is at least some difference.

 

[Prince EWS]

How about Dillon, Edwards, Drakes and Collymore?

Bravo is better than Drakes - statistically anyway. Powell is better than Edwards (and if that's in any way debatable today, he's certainly better than Edwards was back then.) Dillon had his moments, but he was certainly fairly dire around the time that test was played, and Collymore and Collymore match up, obviously.

Actually I can trump that with a game from the same series where Adam Sanford played ahead of Collymore.

Arguably, the 3rd test, where Drakes, Edwards, Sanford and Mohammad played was even worse still...

 

[Richard]

Just goes to show...

West Indies have had many of late.

 

[Pup Clarke]

What about Edwards,Best,Collymore and Sandford when they played England in 2004. Surely that has to be one of the worst WI pace attack ever.

 

[Goughy]

They do have Chris Gayle. I think his existance at the top of the order is one of the reasons they rarely pick a spinner really - his test record with the ball isn't attrocious.

Less than 1 wicket per test and an average of nearly 40 doesnt really make him a threat, though he did have that freak game at Edgbaston in 2004

 

[Richard]

What about Edwards,Best,Collymore and Sandford when they played England in 2004. Surely that has to be one of the worst WI pace attack ever.

Don't think those 4 ever actually played the same Test...?

 

[Richard]

Less than 1 wicket per test and an average of nearly 40 doesnt really make him a threat

Indeed. You can count the number of match-influencing spells he's bowled on one hand - if even one finger.

Though TBH, it's a bit better of late.

 

[Prince EWS]

Less than 1 wicket per test and an average of nearly 40 doesnt really make him a threat, though he did have that freak game at Edgbaston in 2004

That record is a bit misleading though, given he's taken 37 wickets @ 32.37 in his last 20 tests. Granted, it's far from special, but you can't completely discount him - especially given the rest of the attack.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Don't think those 4 ever actually played the same Test...?

They did. 1st test in the 2004 series v England. Then Edwards got injured and Collins took his place.

 

[Prince EWS]

Indeed. You can count the number of match-influencing spells he's bowled on one hand - if even one finger.

Though TBH, it's a bit better of late.

Haha, I can't believe we chose the exact same filter!

 

[Richard]

They did. 1st test in the 2004 series v England. Then Edwards got injured and Collins took his place.

Ah, yes, was thinking of the latter series, when you meant the former. That attack was hardly awful, though - Edwards especially bowled well that game.

 

[Richard]

Haha, I can't believe we chose the exact same filter!

I can, really - it's easily the most obvious place to begin.

Though I thought afterwards that it's actually been a little while since he's done anything of note.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Ah, yes, was thinking of the latter series, when you meant the former. That attack was hardly awful, though - Edwards especially bowled well that game.

Edwards I agree did bowl well in that game but Best,Sandford and Collymore were all very,very poor in that match and the series.