***Official*** English Domestic Season 2007

[Spitfires_Fan]

Did anyone else here the sky sports guys saying how Rashid is now the 2nd best spinner in the country? and if Panesar gets injured he will be called up to play TEST CRICKET. After just one season.

Can't say I'm surprised though.

 

[andyc]

Did anyone else here the sky sports guys saying how Rashid is now the 2nd best spinner in the country? and if Panesar gets injured he will be called up to play TEST CRICKET. After just one season.

Pretty much the worst thing that could happen to him at this stage IMO.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Pretty much the worst thing that could happen to him at this stage IMO.

No it isn't - what exactly could you base that assessment on? Duffers who had no character going under? What's bad about finding that out early? England saved themselves a lot of bother by finding out about Schofield against Zimbabwe and they won the series, that was a good thing.

A bowling attack of Flintoff, Harmison, Hoggard, Plunkett and Rashid would be far better for the balance of the side than one with Panesar instead of Rashid. Don't have to give him a bowl at all, just use him as a good part-timer almost - he shouldn't need to bowl at all against WI unless England are being useless.

It's not like he's being picked away in Australia is it? Personally I'd give a couple of Tests when England are well ahead in the series so he can continue to build his confidence in county cricket. I'd keep him well away from ODIs tho.

 

[Ash_A55]

It's not like he's being picked away in Australia is it? Personally I'd give a couple of Tests when England are well ahead in the series so he can continue to build his confidence in county cricket. I'd keep him well away from ODIs tho.

That sounds like the best thing to do, then there is no pressure. It could then only be a good thing.

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

That sounds like the best thing to do, then there is no pressure. It could then only be a good thing.

What, so there's no pressure making your debut for your country on the back of one season of FC cricket, simply because they're leading in a series??

Can't say I agree with that.

 

[Ash_A55]

Well, its not like they would be bringing him in because they are deperate for wickets. Then he would have to produce the goods stright away. Whereas if England are leading they may ease him into the international scene.

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

Well, its not like they would be bringing him in because they are deperate for wickets. Then he would have to produce the goods stright away. Whereas if England are leading they may ease him into the international scene.

Yeah, I take your point, but the eyes of cricketing fans across the nation will still be upon him. He'd be playing in front of a much bigger crowd than anything he'd experienced before, not to mention the fact that it would be televised to a much larger audience. The guy's barely 19, and has only played 11 FC matches. I think that if he came on to bowl and someone like Chris Gayle was well set and fancied taking the attack to him, he'd be feeling the pressure just a little bit, even if England had already won the series.

There is no harm in giving him at least another season or two to develop and mature and learn his trade. This time in two years, he'll be 21 - he's got a long, long career ahead of him and there's no reason to fast-track him ahead of his time.

Hence why I expect to see him called up as soon as Monty gets injured/loses form

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yeah, I take your point, but the eyes of cricketing fans across the nation will still be upon him. He'd be playing in front of a much bigger crowd than anything he'd experienced before, not to mention the fact that it would be televised to a much larger audience. The guy's barely 19, and has only played 11 FC matches. I think that if he came on to bowl and someone like Chris Gayle was well set and fancied taking the attack to him, he'd be feeling the pressure just a little bit, even if England had already won the series.

There is no harm in giving him at least another season or two to develop and mature and learn his trade. This time in two years, he'll be 21 - he's got a long, long career ahead of him and there's no reason to fast-track him ahead of his time.

Hence why I expect to see him called up as soon as Monty gets injured/loses form

You realise how little FC experience players like Warne had when he made his Test debut? All this guff in bold would apply next year, or the year after, or the year after that. You could keep going on. A home series against a woefully weak WI side with the series won, 4 other bowlers playing, had a good run in the County Championship with confidence up, that's as nice as it gets for a debut.

Also you get players who are very good Test players at an early age anyway, it's a more frequent occurrence with those of an Asian descent I'd say.

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

You realise how little FC experience players like Warne had when he made his Test debut? All this guff in bold would apply next year, or the year after, or the year after that. You could keep going on. A home series against a woefully weak WI side with the series won, 4 other bowlers playing, had a good run in the County Championship with confidence up, that's as nice as it gets for a debut.

Also you get players who are very good Test players at an early age anyway, it's a more frequent occurrence with those of an Asian descent I'd say.

Yes you're right, and Warne made his Test debut in similar circumstances to the ones that you're advocating for Rashid. Australia were playing India at home, they were 2-0 up after two matches, and so they stick young Shane Warne in. He takes 1-150. Next match, he has figures of 0-78. And then they drop him. Not exactly an idyllic, confidence-boosting start was it?

Of course, when he's recalled for a 3 test match tour of Sri Lanka, he doesn't do much better. 0-107 in the first innings and clearing up the formidable tail of Wickremasinghe, Madurasinghe and Anurasiri in the second sees him dropped for the 2nd test, before returning for the 3rd and taking a grand total of 0 wickets.

Of course, as we all know, statistics can never show the whole truth, but I'd suggest that perhaps Warne might have benefitted from another season or two of FC cricket before being making his idyllic debut for the test team.

 

[Richard]

Also you get players who are very good Test players at an early age anyway, it's a more frequent occurrence with those of an Asian descent I'd say.

Haha, WTF? I don't normally bother with this one's posts but he's outdone himself there? Why the hell would being of Asian descent (ain't like there have been a whole load of Asian-descended players playing for England, and certainly not at young ages) make any difference to what age you can handle international cricket at?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Kabir Ali 8 for 50 against Lancs!

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

Kabir Ali 8 for 50 against Lancs!

Ahh, the selectors have missed a trick there!

 

[Richard]

Pretty please... not again.







(Yes, I do realise you were joking...)

 

[Scaly piscine]

Haha, WTF? I don't normally bother with this one's posts but he's outdone himself there? Why the hell would being of Asian descent (ain't like there have been a whole load of Asian-descended players playing for England, and certainly not at young ages) make any difference to what age you can handle international cricket at?

I don't normally bother with this peasant, but he's obviously forgotten how Asian sides generally have very talented U19 sides and how they have the likes of Tendulkar, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis who all performed well in Test cricket at a young age. Compared to other countries who barely ever have anyone good enough to make the Test team at 21, let alone when they're still teenagers.

Obviously it's just a theory, descent of swimmers and runners and a whole load of other things makes a difference.

 

[Ash_A55]

I agree, Tendulkar came to Yorkshire at the tender age of 19. But he was absolutely brilliant. Mature beyond his years.

 

[Richard]

I don't normally bother with this peasant, but he's obviously forgotten how Asian sides generally have very talented U19 sides and how they have the likes of Tendulkar, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis who all performed well in Test cricket at a young age. Compared to other countries who barely ever have anyone good enough to make the Test team at 21, let alone when they're still teenagers.

Obviously it's just a theory, descent of swimmers and runners and a whole load of other things makes a difference.

Umm... Indian... Pakistani... in case you missed it Rashid is English...

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Asian players making it to the Test team at an earlier age (and maturing in general a bit earlier) is everything to do with the structure of cricket in the country and nothing to do with genetics. Rashid has grown up through the English system and not an Asian based one.

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

Pretty please... not again.







(Yes, I do realise you were joking...)

Bresnan's been taking wickets as well - maybe he and Kabir could open the bowling against the West Indies and Hoggard and Harmison could be allowed a bit more time to find their feet in the county championship?

 

[Spitfires_Fan]

Mahmood on as 3rd change against Worcestershire, with Cork and Chapple being thrown the ball before him, as well as Murali getting a go

Probably one of the last bowlers you want in your side when you've been bowled out cheaply and don't have many runs to play with...

 

[Scaly piscine]

Asian players making it to the Test team at an earlier age (and maturing in general a bit earlier) is everything to do with the structure of cricket in the country and nothing to do with genetics. Rashid has grown up through the English system and not an Asian based one.

Systems have an influence but not over this. Look at how much better Bangladesh's U19 side is compared to England's - didn't they beat us 11-0?

You can't tell me their systems are so much better than England's that their players magically overtake our players and then some, then still because of the systems their players stagnate while our boys get massively better and overtake them again. I'm generalising somewhat with what I've read, so don't take it as meaning *everyone* matures at the same time for one descent - it obviously varies, I'm just saying there's a general tendancy to mature at different ages for different descents.