Swervy
International Captain
well spottedCongrats on 6000 Swervy..
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Hayden vs Hussain
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The attack of 2001\02 was certainly awful - Donald was no longer up to much, Pollock was poor on flat pitches by then, Kallis and Klusener likewise, Hayward was never especially outstanding (though he had his moments), and Ntini was not particularly good back then.The figures were for games post 2000 not for games in 2000 you pedant
And if you think they were weak attacks in 2001/02 then you are deluding yourself even more.
In fact they are probably superior than those from the mid-90s when they were just still finding their feet at Test level.
The attacks you are accusing of being poor that he averaged 82 against include Donald, Pollock, Kallis, Ntini, Hayward, Nel, Klusener. If only one of them was as good as Dominic Cork eh?
Christ you are crazy
The quality of the SA attacks didnt change from the mid-90s to the very early 2000's yet Haydens average did. Ergo Hayden changed and improved.
The relatively good attack of 2005\06 was just slightly negated by the abysmal catching.
I can't believe you think those attacks were a patch on those such as Donald-deVilliers-Matthews-McMillan or Donald-Pollock-Kallis-Klusener of the late 1990s.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I'd be surprised if any non-Englishman would say such a thing, yes. But it's not just because I'm English. There are many Australians I rate above Englishmen.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
He wasn't as good against spin or on flat tracks, no.Richard if you could come up with some valid points, I would tell you, but you just havent.
So basically, you find it pointless debating with someone who has watched and played the game since well before you were born, has watched and played the sport in both Australia and UK, and has a definate soft spot for England, and in fact someone who actually has a lot of time for Hussain as a batsman and a captain and a commentator...well at least i know where I stand!!!
But he still isnt close to being the batsman hayden is
But he was better against the seaming and swinging ball, and mostly top-order batsmen need to be capable in that area.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Your like of BLE really is in poor taste.
Swervy
International Captain
and there are plenty of English players I rate higher than Austrlain players throughout my watching life..what does that prove?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
But are there any of the best English players you'd rate above the best Australians?
Swervy
International Captain
who he is is not a major concern for me...it just tickled me what he said
Swervy
International Captain
yep
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
A lot of Englishmen are saying Hayden>Hussain. So to even imply bias is why the Aussies are saying Hayden>Hussain is dire.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It always will do, because he's forever slagging me off.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
One Englishman is, in fact. Kev.
Not many other Englishmen have posted on this thread in recent times.
Swervy
International Captain
now you are just looking paranoid...you cant 'win' the debate because there are no english fans around...pretty pretty poor
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
No, that's not what I'm implying at all.
Just that I'm even less likely to be able to convince guys like you and KaZo than I am Englishmen. And KaZo especially, as he's even more, shall we say, patriotic than you.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
You are saying Aussies though and not guys like x,y,z in your initial post.
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Haha, me patriotic? Then what are you dear Richard? When you catch me trying to argue that Shane Watson is better than Ian Botham, I think I'll just have reached your level of 'patriotism'.
BTW, if Swervy can't be said to have a slight love for England, because he isn't originally English, than I couldn't be much of an Aussie then either.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm far, far less likely to argue a case for someone just because he's English than you are just because he's Aussie, I'm afraid. I've been accused by countless people of hatred of English players down the years.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm saying Aussies are less likely to believe in the inferiority of someone who's made such a contribution to their teams' success.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Don't see why the patriotic angle should be brought in in a debate which is going on. People can believe x,y,z but they can't back it up with logical proofs just because they are biased.