Semi Finals

[Fiery]

Numbers don't lie mate.

Ever heard the saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"?

 

[Athlai]

If Fernando and Maharoof are in thier top 15? hmmm.......

I like Maharoof... He can bat a bit. Just like Franklin. But not as good at batting or bowling.

 

[howardj]

Hold onto your hats boys. This is gonna be an absolute cracker of a match. Who cares about work tomorrow. I think this is worth staying up for tonight. The two sides will be all over each like cheap suits. Personally, I think the opening batsmen hold the key. Hayden, Smith and De Villiers have proven to be soooooo dynamic in this tournament. And, of course, if Gilly can break free, he can rip the top off of this match single-handedly. Anyway, if either pairing can bat for the first 15/20 overs, it will be irresistible platform for their team.

Go Australia.

And go Macca, you big bully.

 

[Prince EWS]

Against Australia, they conceded 106 runs in 13.5 overs. 7.66 runs an over.
Against New Zealand 178 runs in 29.2 overs. 6.05 runs an over.

How about that

The only other team to make it to the Super Eights that they batted first against was jolly old England, who just won by 4 wickets.
(they batted first against India and Bermuda as well)

Good bowling figures in my opinion after being knocked around by Aussie and the Kiwis.

Yeah, going for 6s and 7s really shows quality bowling. No doubt they are improving, but I still don't think scoring runs against them means a great deal.

 

[Perm]

Ever heard the saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"?

Indeed I have, I just don't know how you can say that people's opinions would be better than factual science.

 

[Prince EWS]

Indeed I have, I just don't know how you can say that people's opinions would be better than factual science.

Because that's the only way Fiery's opinion on this issue can be at all justified.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah, going for 6s and 7s really shows quality bowling. No doubt they are improving, but I still don't think scoring runs against them means a great deal.

But its certainly no walk over as a lot of people seem to think. Not the substandard bowling that many see, just a decent bowling squad with little luck with the bat.

 

[shehanwije]

This semi may end up as Mcgrath's last game in Aus colours.

A tactic that RSA could use to unsettle Mcgrath is to "line up and provide him with a guard of honour" like Eng gave Lara the other day.

This would force Mcgrath to face the issue that this may indeed be his last game...and perhaps get in the way of his performance today.

 

[silentstriker]

Which suggests to me either there was a serious flaw in the old rules or in the "tests". I think it would be much better just to have a panel of humans deciding whether a player is chucking or not and do away with these rubbish "scientific" methods

Funniest statement. Let's convene a panel of people who will guess at the formula for gravity instead of measuring it. Rubbish methods, all of them. Maybe you need to accept that it is more likely that it only 'looks' that way to you, because (as has been proven) his natural deformity in the arm creates the optical illusion of chucking. Or you can continue on your blind crusade, I guess.

 

[Athlai]

This semi may end up as Mcgrath's last game in Aus colours.

A tactic that RSA could use to unsettle Mcgrath is to "line up and provide him with a guard of honour" like Eng gave Lara the other day.

This would force Mcgrath to face the issue that this may indeed be his last game...and perhaps get in the way of his performance today.

McGrath would probably take them right on for doing it. That'd be great!

 

[dinu23]

What a convincing argument.

Regardless of which though - talent is often irrelevant. He can have as much talent as he wants, but he averages in the mid 20s against ODI-standard attacks, he's a poor player. He could well get better, especially given his age and his apparent talent, but at this stage there's no way he's anything other than a passenger 90% of the time.

how many matches has he played against decent attacks?
aus - 3
pak - 4
SA - 3
ind - 10

he has failed against india. cant judge his performance against others since he has played very few matches against them, IMO. i'm sure he'll come good.

 

[dinu23]

Dinu , I hope you will be here tomorrow so that we can analyse the SA -Australia game in depth and see who choked and when.

sure mate..

 

[andyc]

This semi may end up as Mcgrath's last game in Aus colours.

A tactic that RSA could use to unsettle Mcgrath is to "line up and provide him with a guard of honour" like Eng gave Lara the other day.

This would force Mcgrath to face the issue that this may indeed be his last game...and perhaps get in the way of his performance today.

Haha, that'd be so gun.

 

[silentstriker]

Ever heard the saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"?

PS. Scientific tests that were conducted have nothing to do with statistics.

 

[howardj]

I'm sure McGrath's very aware this could be his last game tonight. For all the tough talk of the Aussies, I'm sure that amongst themselves they would acknowledge the huge threat that South Africa pose tonight. It's a one-off, cut-throat match against a side that beat them in the last series that they played. There will be no complacency or over-confidence tonight.

 

[Fiery]

PS. Scientific tests that were conducted have nothing to do with statistics.

I was replying to Perm's suggestion that "numbers don't lie"

 

[silentstriker]

I was replying to Perm's suggestion that "numbers don't lie"

Numbers don't lie. The reason people say statistics can lie is because its easy to twist the numbers to your interpretation. In this case, there is not much interpretation and as long as the tests were done accurately (and they were, since they have been repeated multiple times), there is not really any debate whether he can bowl within the limit.

 

[Flem274*]

Murali has been proven legal by the tests. By ICC law this means he is within the rules. Unless he fails a test in the future, he is within the rules.

The funny thing is, if this had been Vaas or Fernando or whoever then no one would be complaining. Because it's Murali people have to drag him down to feel better about thier disappointment. I am a diehard kiwi fan, but i accept that Murali just bowled very very well. There will be a next time, and we'll get him then.

 

[Fiery]

Numbers don't lie. The reason people say statistics can lie is because its easy to twist the numbers to your interpretation. In this case, there is not much interpretation and as long as the tests were done accurately (and they were, since they have been repeated multiple times), there is not really any debate whether he can bowl within the limit.

What's to say the tests themselves weren't flawed? No point arguing this really anyway as I'll never change my opinion on Murali. You could write a book on arguments defending it and it wouldn't do the slightest to change my opinion. I think bowling actions should be something that is better off being judged by humans than computers

 

[Flem274*]

What's to say the parameters and variables used in the tests weren't flawed? No point arguing this really anyway as I'll never change my opinion on Murali. You could write a book on arguments defending it and it wouldn't do the slightest to change my opinion. I think bowling actions should be something that is better off being judged by humans than computers

Humans are prone to error. Just look at the umpiring in that semi. If you'll never change your opinion then why bother debating this with you? You seem to have a very narrow minded approach.