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Semi Finals

Flem274*

123/5
I believe McGrath missed one of those games but anyway the point is that the reputation of the bowling doesn't matter if they are bowling rubbish as Australia was in that series. Personally I would rate runs against BD in this WC higher than runs in the recent Chappell Hadlee.

Really all that Fulton has done in his career are two good series at home in the Chappell Hadlee and a relatively lacklustre SL side ( they were playing quite poorly at that time and it's revealing that Fulton fared much worse against the improved SL side that played recently). His record outside NZ is throughly ordinary.
He's played most of his cricket in NZ and aus IIRC. He's been fighting for form for a while, especially in converting good starts to big scores and then during the Chappel Hadlee everything came together and he has continued on to the WC.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
You would be really kidding yourself to think Mahela = Fleming


or Sangakkara = Maccullum
or Murali = Vettori + Patel
As for Malinga and Bond , its a question of wickets against quality opposition v economy rates and cheap wickets against not the same quality opposition... at least from this World Cup performances Malinga >>> Bond.
I definitely stand by Fleming and Mahela being rather equal in their skill level. As captains and as players, unfortunately for Fleming, youth is on Mahela's side and he's the wave of the future.

Sangakarra and McCullum, I believe I said Sangakarra was the better but the gap was closing everyday. McCullums not as good but he has the potential to be. :happy:

As for the bowlers, I did say that I needed three bowlers to counter Sri Lankas three. So New Zealands best bowler, Bond versus the reliable Vaas and the fiery Malinga.

And our two good spinners against the master. Wicket taking wise, They both would probably be needed to stay near Murali!

And Bond against Malinga? Wicket taking wise, Malinga. But Bond can do the same and go for less runs. A good match in my opinion.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
He's played most of his cricket in NZ and aus IIRC. He's been fighting for form for a while, especially in converting good starts to big scores and then during the Chappel Hadlee everything came together and he has continued on to the WC.
Though you have to remember he didn't actually make the team when Vincent was in it.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I believe McGrath missed one of those games but anyway the point is that the reputation of the bowling doesn't matter if they are bowling rubbish as Australia was in that series. Personally I would rate runs against BD in this WC higher than runs in the recent Chappell Hadlee.

Really all that Fulton has done in his career are two good series at home in the Chappell Hadlee and a relatively lacklustre SL side ( they were playing quite poorly at that time and it's revealing that Fulton fared much worse against the improved SL side that played recently). His record outside NZ is throughly ordinary.
Good bowlers don't, all-of-a-sudden, all start bowling complete trash all at once. If poor bowlers all get smashed, that's to be expected and not a tremendously great achievement by the batsman. However, if a good attack gets smashed - and I'm not just talking about one bolwer, but a whole attack - then you simply have to give credit to the batting team and the batsmen involved.
 

Flem274*

123/5
I definitely stand by Fleming and Mahela being rather equal in their skill level. As captains and as players, unfortunately for Fleming, youth is on Mahela's side and he's the wave of the future.

Sangakarra and McCullum, I believe I said Sangakarra was the better but the gap was closing everyday. McCullums not as good but he has the potential to be. :happy:

As for the bowlers, I did say that I needed three bowlers to counter Sri Lankas three. So New Zealands best bowler, Bond versus the reliable Vaas and the fiery Malinga.

And our two good spinners against the master. Wicket taking wise, They both would probably be needed to stay near Murali!

And Bond against Malinga? Wicket taking wise, Malinga. But Bond can do the same and go for less runs. A good match in my opinion.
Bond and Malinga are light years in front of the other quicks in this tournament. I'm gonna say Bond is better but in the swing bowling Vaas destroys Franklin. Oram is a better third seamer than Fernando. Vettori i good but not as good as Murali While Patel is Far greater than the Jayasuria/Dilshan combo. Mahela better batsman, Fleming better skipper.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Good bowlers don't, all-of-a-sudden, all start bowling complete trash all at once. If poor bowlers all get smashed, that's to be expected and not a tremendously great achievement by the batsman. However, if a good attack gets smashed - and I'm not just talking about one bolwer, but a whole attack - then you simply have to give credit to the batting team and the batsmen involved.
Oh, I thought it might be interesting for you to note that... the Bangladesh side went out with an average of 4.60 runs per over scored against them. Pretty good considering Australia is going at 4.56 against them and South Africa 4.52, they're certainly not the worst bowling team in the world and I would rate them higher than the likes of England in that department.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Though you have to remember he didn't actually make the team when Vincent was in it.
Which supports the point that I made that started this whole debate - that while Sri Lanka have more "star" players than New Zealand, their weak links are more obvious and easier to expose, which justified the close betting markets before the game. New Zealand had a few players out of form, but I don't see too many real weaknesses in their side other than Franklin's new ball bowling (which actually fired against Sri Lanka.)
 

Flem274*

123/5
Though you have to remember he didn't actually make the team when Vincent was in it.
Yeah but Fulton aint an opener and we were never gonna drop Flem. Macka and Piggy got in because they could bowl. Piggy was in horrible form until the WC and I would have played Fulton ahead of Piggy, which would have been, in hindsight, a mistake.:laugh:
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Bond and Malinga are light years in front of the other quicks in this tournament. I'm gonna say Bond is better but in the swing bowling Vaas destroys Franklin. Oram is a better third seamer than Fernando. Vettori i good but not as good as Murali While Patel is Far greater than the Jayasuria/Dilshan combo. Mahela better batsman, Fleming better skipper.
But neither Fleming or Mahela are that much better than the other in either department. Vaas destroys Franklin, who only seems to perform when Bond doesn't. (Or in perfect conditions)
I always think Oram is underrated as a wicket taker. He looks always very close to a wicket, he can bounce the hell out of the ball, thats for sure.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Yeah but Fulton aint an opener and we were never gonna drop Flem. Macka and Piggy got in because they could bowl. Piggy was in horrible form until the WC and I would have played Fulton ahead of Piggy, which would have been, in hindsight, a mistake.:laugh:
Piggo always comes through, saved our side more than once thats for sure. Fulton looked most likely at taking McMillans position IMO
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Oh, I thought it might be interesting for you to note that... the Bangladesh side went out with an average of 4.60 runs per over scored against them. Pretty good considering Australia is going at 4.56 against them and South Africa 4.52, they're certainly not the worst bowling team in the world and I would rate them higher than the likes of England in that department.
That can be explained by the fact that Bangladesh were regularly dismissed cheaply when they batted first, meaning the chasing team were under no pressure to score quickly. Conversely, Australia have piled up some massive scores and, in reply, the opposition have had to push the scoring rate along in order to have any chance of winning.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Which supports the point that I made that started this whole debate - that while Sri Lanka have more "star" players than New Zealand, their weak links are more obvious and easier to expose, which justified the close betting markets before the game. New Zealand had a few players out of form, but I don't see too many real weaknesses in their side other than Franklin's new ball bowling (which actually fired against Sri Lanka.)
Agreed. If Franklin is bowlling well against you then you must be having one hell of a bad day. This semi is the only exception. Franklin greater than Fernando which doesnt reflect well on Fernando.
 

Flem274*

123/5
But neither Fleming or Mahela are that much better than the other in either department. Vaas destroys Franklin, who only seems to perform when Bond doesn't. (Or in perfect conditions)
I always think Oram is underrated as a wicket taker. He looks always very close to a wicket, he can bounce the hell out of the ball, thats for sure.
I actualy reckon Oram could take the new ball. Better than Franklin even if he does get whacked:laugh:
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Which supports the point that I made that started this whole debate - that while Sri Lanka have more "star" players than New Zealand, their weak links are more obvious and easier to expose, which justified the close betting markets before the game. New Zealand had a few players out of form, but I don't see too many real weaknesses in their side other than Franklin's new ball bowling (which actually fired against Sri Lanka.)
The weak top order and the other bowling option are persistant problems to New Zealand but I'm not really sure about the depth of Sri Lankan talent out there.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Should be a cracker of a game tonight, I don't want to be disappointed like I was with the other semifinal. I just want some good quality cricket.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
That can be explained by the fact that Bangladesh were regularly dismissed cheaply when they batted first, meaning the chasing team were under no pressure to score quickly. Conversely, Australia have piled up some massive scores and, in reply, the opposition have had to push the scoring rate along in order to have any chance of winning.
Against Australia, they conceded 106 runs in 13.5 overs. 7.66 runs an over.
Against New Zealand 178 runs in 29.2 overs. 6.05 runs an over.

How about that :laugh:

The only other team to make it to the Super Eights that they batted first against was jolly old England, who just won by 4 wickets.
(they batted first against India and Bermuda as well)

Good bowling figures in my opinion after being knocked around by Aussie and the Kiwis.
 

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