Ponting on West Indies

[Pratters]

From CI:

Ponting's team was unimpressed by West Indies' behaviour after they beat Australia early in the Champions Trophy in October. West Indies went on to reach the final but were convincingly beaten by Australia, which Ponting said was typical of their hit-and-miss temperament.

"They are a funny side," he said. "Once they start getting on top, then their body language is out of control. You've only got to see a couple of games in the Champions Trophy, especially the first game that we lost.

"It was like they'd won the World Cup, and it was the first game of the Champions Trophy. I think they probably felt a bit of the pressure of being at home in this World Cup and being spoken about a fair bit as real contenders in this event."

Ponting expected the hosts to hit their straps at some point in the Super Eights, with only matches against Bangladesh and England remaining. "You'll see at some stage, there's a couple of games to go," he said. "If they can get off to a good start and they take early wickets then all that sort of body language will come back.

"Chris Gayle and Marlon Samuels and Dwayne Bravo and those sort of guys tend to enjoy themselves pretty much out on the field when things are going their way, but when things aren't going their way then they can drag their backsides around."

"If they don't maximise the money that is generated with this World Cup and get their infrastructure and facilities right, then they really could go by the wayside," he said.

 

[PhoenixFire]

I love it how Ponting always manages to critisise other teams and players for misbehaviour, yet I seem to remember that he has plenty of smudges against his name when it comes to discipline.

 

[Nishant]

I love it how Ponting always manages to critisise other teams and players for misbehaviour, yet I seem to remember that he has plenty of smudges against his name when it comes to discipline.

True....i think he has a point, but he is NOT a one to talk TBH! He needs to look at himself first before he talks abt other teams!

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

He's right though.

I don't really think he's said much about their behavior either, that's just the journo.

 

[TT Boy]

Fair comment from Ricky.

 

[Swervy]

and the cycle starts again...Punter says something..people either agree or disagree...despite opinion, people say 'how dare he' and rant about Australian team behaviour...thread grows into the world vs Australian attitude debate...and so on.

 

[Sanz]

Ponting's maturity level is amazing.

 

[Perm]

The first two paragraphs were fair enough I thought, he was offering some insight into why he thought the West Indies hadn't done as well as was predicted. This sentence pretty much summed it up for me

"Chris Gayle and Marlon Samuels and Dwayne Bravo and those sort of guys tend to enjoy themselves pretty much out on the field when things are going their way, but when things aren't going their way then they can drag their backsides around."

These three players are all very talented, but their temperament definately needs questioned. Ponting isn't the only one who thinks along those lines.

 

[Johnners]

I love it how Ponting always manages to critisise other teams and players for misbehaviour, yet I seem to remember that he has plenty of smudges against his name when it comes to discipline.

Hmmmmm, i love it how people like yourself completely miss the point of the article, and use it as a chance to have a dig at Ponting/Australia.

 

[Dasgupta]

From CI:

Ponting's team was unimpressed by West Indies' behaviour after they beat Australia early in the Champions Trophy in October. West Indies went on to reach the final but were convincingly beaten by Australia, which Ponting said was typical of their hit-and-miss temperament.

"They are a funny side," he said. "Once they start getting on top, then their body language is out of control. You've only got to see a couple of games in the Champions Trophy, especially the first game that we lost.

"It was like they'd won the World Cup, and it was the first game of the Champions Trophy. I think they probably felt a bit of the pressure of being at home in this World Cup and being spoken about a fair bit as real contenders in this event."

Ponting expected the hosts to hit their straps at some point in the Super Eights, with only matches against Bangladesh and England remaining. "You'll see at some stage, there's a couple of games to go," he said. "If they can get off to a good start and they take early wickets then all that sort of body language will come back.

"Chris Gayle and Marlon Samuels and Dwayne Bravo and those sort of guys tend to enjoy themselves pretty much out on the field when things are going their way, but when things aren't going their way then they can drag their backsides around."

"If they don't maximise the money that is generated with this World Cup and get their infrastructure and facilities right, then they really could go by the wayside," he said.

Had to laugh at this comment given the way the Aussie's carry on after a win, with all the man-love

 

[Perm]

Had to laugh at this comment given the way the Aussie's carry on after a win, with all the man-love

Nothing wrong with a bit of man-love after a hard fought win, if it's been a tight and tough battle then I don't see why people criticise a team showing some emotion because they've come away with the win.

 

[roseboy64]

Ponting speaks the truth. Sad but true.

 

[social]

Ponting's maturity level is amazing.

Yep, fancy responding to a reporter's questions accurately - what a child!

 

[Perm]

Yep, fancy responding to a reporter's questions accurately - what a child!

Whenever Ponting is reported in the media, it always seems to bring out the Punter haters, regardless of what was said.

 

[Burgey]

and the cycle starts again...Punter says something..people either agree or disagree...despite opinion, people say 'how dare he' and rant about Australian team behaviour...thread grows into the world vs Australian attitude debate...and so on.

Yep - I'll kick it off - How dare anyone, anywhere, ever criticise Australia and Ponting about cricket, behaviour, fashion or anything else?


Just getting the fishing line ready to reel them all in........

 

[pasag]

Typical OTT responses from the same people. Expected it tbh.

 

[adharcric]

Pretty much. ^

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Nothing wrong with that article really, depending on what he was asked.

Actually, it's something that's bugged me a little about the way people discuss player behaviour for a while. Consider all the crap that Shane Watson (or Brett Lee or Shoaib Akhtar, say) get for the way they celebrate wickets, and compare it to Dwayne Bravo. He'll take a routine caught and bowled in the 50th over against a team that's scored 350 and set off on a lap of honour around the ground, throwing in a few backflips along the way. Watson will generally carry on like a bit of a dick when he gets someone out as well, give or take the athleticism, but generally it pales in comparison.

Generally speaking commentators and pundits will refer to Bravo as being enthusiastic and a breath of fresh air and so on. We saw heaps of this in Australia last time the West Indies toured and Bravo did quite well, particularly in a patronising sort of way by the Lawry and Greig types, but even Chappell got in on the act. Also happens to a lesser degree on here, and certainly I've never seen people having a go at Bravo for that sort of stuff on CW, while other players get it a lot, even the likes of Warne and Flintoff. When someone like Watson over-celebrates, it's arrogant or shows his mental weakness or whatever, and we'll see half a dozen articles the next day in the papers here about it. Frankly I don't think either perspective has much to it, but it is interesting how people react totally differently to players from different countries doing the same sort of thing, both internally and from the outside.

Anyway, Bravo is the one I've noticed most, largely because he always seems to be celebrating something even when he's struggling, but certainly a lot of the West Indian players are similar in terms of their body language. I suppose it's a different sporting culture to Australia, where overly emotive players get sent to body language specialists (Watson) rather than celebrated.

 

[Sanz]

Yep, fancy responding to a reporter's questions accurately - what a child!

Obviously Ponting is the only International Captain cabable of that, all other captains are just dumb.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Nothing wrong with that article really, depending on what he was asked.

Actually, it's something that's bugged me a little about the way people discuss player behaviour for a while. Consider all the crap that Shane Watson (or Brett Lee or Shoaib Akhtar, say) get for the way they celebrate wickets, and compare it to Dwayne Bravo. He'll take a routine caught and bowled in the 50th over against a team that's scored 350 and set off on a lap of honour around the ground, throwing in a few backflips along the way. Watson will generally carry on like a bit of a dick when he gets someone out as well, give or take the athleticism, but generally it pales in comparison.

Generally speaking commentators and pundits will refer to Bravo as being enthusiastic and a breath of fresh air and so on. We saw heaps of this in Australia last time the West Indies toured and Bravo did quite well, particularly in a patronising sort of way by the Lawry and Greig types, but even Chappell got in on the act. Also happens to a lesser degree on here, and certainly I've never seen people having a go at Bravo for that sort of stuff on CW, while other players get it a lot, even the likes of Warne and Flintoff. When someone like Watson over-celebrates, it's arrogant or shows his mental weakness or whatever, and we'll see half a dozen articles the next day in the papers here about it. Frankly I don't think either perspective has much to it, but it is interesting how people react totally differently to players from different countries doing the same sort of thing, both internally and from the outside.

Anyway, Bravo is the one I've noticed most, largely because he always seems to be celebrating something even when he's struggling, but certainly a lot of the West Indian players are similar in terms of their body language. I suppose it's a different sporting culture to Australia, where overly emotive players get sent to body language specialists (Watson) rather than celebrated.

Well, I'd imagine its because everybody loves the West Indians.