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New Zealand Black Caps Thread

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Dasgupta

School Boy/Girl Captain
Prince EWS said:
If he's going to be considered a batting allrounder, then he should not be selected in the side to bat #8-9 and open the bowling. Styris and Oram are better options for a top 7 position (where those selected as batting allrounders bat..) so he should be dumped. As a batting allrounder in one day cricket, he shouldn't get near the national side. The same should be said for him as an opening bowler - or a first change bowler - or even a bowling allrounder too. Franklin's one of my favourite players and should be one of the first names put down for NZ's eleven, but he's simply not very good at one day cricket.
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Yeah, that's why I'm saying he should come up the order ahead of Vettori. He's in the team at the moment because of injuries but has played much more cricket than the other players in the squad and should be persevered with. I think he has a big part to play for NZ for a good 6-8 years. Would be nice if his bowling improved but he's had 5 years in the team and it hasn't so time to concentrate more on his batting for him I think...much in the same way Scott Styris did.
 
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Dasgupta

School Boy/Girl Captain
Perm said:
No way he'll ever be a batting allrounder in the immediate future, especially not in real cricket. I know he bats at around 5 or 6 for Wellington, but he isn't good enough to make it into the Black Caps ODI or Test side as a batting allrounder, especially when his bowling is obviously his main discipline.
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I disagree. We'll see in time I guess.
 
Tim

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Unfortunately for Franklin I think he's gonna be pigeon holed as a test player after this World Cup. He's been fortunate that we havent really had any other decent options recently but I feel we should really be playing Gillespie as he has pace and has shown he can score some handy runs.

Our first choice bowling lineup should be: Bond, Mills, Gillespie, Vettori, Oram and Styris. that's a good attack.
 
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Dasgupta

School Boy/Girl Captain
Tim said:
Unfortunately for Franklin I think he's gonna be pigeon holed as a test player after this World Cup. He's been fortunate that we havent really had any other decent options recently but I feel we should really be playing Gillespie as he has pace and has shown he can score some handy runs.

Our first choice bowling lineup should be: Bond, Mills, Gillespie, Vettori, Oram and Styris. that's a good attack.
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I don't think you would need to play Gillespie (or Franklin) if Mills was fit
 
JBH001

JBH001

International Regular
Hey guys, I need some assistance and wonder if you can help.

I want to watch the NZ vs SA game, and unfortunately do not have sky.
I will be going out on Sat night, and staying up to watch the cricket with some mates - does anyone know of any good pubs in Auckland that may stay open at least until 4/5am? I also want to be able to hear the commentary, if possible.

(I dont want Sky City, as though they have the game on TV, they play crappy background music, and the atmosphere is **** - the last time I went there, to watch the SA vs Aus game, I hated it, though that may also be because I was coming down...)

Anyway, if someone could help me with some suggestions that would be great!
Cheers _b
 
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el grapadura

Cricket Spectator
I don't get all this Fanklin bashing...you'd have thought he was being carted around for 10 an over every time he bowls. The fact is, he's not bowling too badly - sure Gayle ripped into him, but that happens to every bowler from time to time. To suggest that Franklin shold be dropped for Gillespie at this stage is just silly. Gillespie hasn't played any cricket in weeks, and at any rate is hardly the demon fast bowler that some portray him to be. He's obviously had some good performances in his international career so far, but also some decidedly average ones, and when put under pressure has tended to bowl a bunch of wides and no-balls.
Mason has barely made any significant impact, and Martin simply should not be anywhere near the ODI side.
And Frankiln's batting should not be underestimated. He's easily the best no. 9 in world cricket, and is capable of winning us games from there. So until and unless Mills comes back from his injury the same bowler he was as before it, Franklin's going nowhere.
 
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Dasgupta

School Boy/Girl Captain
el grapadura said:
I don't get all this Fanklin bashing...you'd have thought he was being carted around for 10 an over every time he bowls. The fact is, he's not bowling too badly - sure Gayle ripped into him, but that happens to every bowler from time to time. To suggest that Franklin shold be dropped for Gillespie at this stage is just silly. Gillespie hasn't played any cricket in weeks, and at any rate is hardly the demon fast bowler that some portray him to be. He's obviously had some good performances in his international career so far, but also some decidedly average ones, and when put under pressure has tended to bowl a bunch of wides and no-balls.
Mason has barely made any significant impact, and Martin simply should not be anywhere near the ODI side.
And Frankiln's batting should not be underestimated. He's easily the best no. 9 in world cricket, and is capable of winning us games from there. So until and unless Mills comes back from his injury the same bowler he was as before it, Franklin's going nowhere.
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I'm with you on that angry beaver's favourite wrestler
 
KiWiNiNjA

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
el grapadura said:
I don't get all this Fanklin bashing...you'd have thought he was being carted around for 10 an over every time he bowls. The fact is, he's not bowling too badly - sure Gayle ripped into him, but that happens to every bowler from time to time. To suggest that Franklin shold be dropped for Gillespie at this stage is just silly. Gillespie hasn't played any cricket in weeks, and at any rate is hardly the demon fast bowler that some portray him to be. He's obviously had some good performances in his international career so far, but also some decidedly average ones, and when put under pressure has tended to bowl a bunch of wides and no-balls.
Mason has barely made any significant impact, and Martin simply should not be anywhere near the ODI side.
And Frankiln's batting should not be underestimated. He's easily the best no. 9 in world cricket, and is capable of winning us games from there. So until and unless Mills comes back from his injury the same bowler he was as before it, Franklin's going nowhere.
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Basically, Franklin probably is the best #9 but, and its a big but, does he deserve to get into the side for his bowling? After all he is a bowling all-rounder.

And the answer to that question is no, when we are at full strength he should not be in the ODI XI. Yes, he offers variety being a left-armer, and gets swing early on sometimes, but he still bowls a four-ball or two every over. And when it doesn't swing, well thats another story. He has a good game every now and again, but in between.......

Nobody is 'bashing' his batting ability at #9 methinks.

You gotta ask yourself, do you wanna sacrifice 50+ off 10 just so you can get a quick 20 runs at #9?
 
KiWiNiNjA

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
Blaze said:
Mason, Patel, Franklin, Gillespie... it doesn't matter. They are all poor :ph34r:
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Sad but true. I still have hopes that Gillespie can be better though. He may not be able to bat like Franklin, but he showed in the CH that he is gun :p And seriously, we shouldn't really be expecting too much from our #9's
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Tim said:
Unfortunately for Franklin I think he's gonna be pigeon holed as a test player after this World Cup. He's been fortunate that we havent really had any other decent options recently but I feel we should really be playing Gillespie as he has pace and has shown he can score some handy runs.

Our first choice bowling lineup should be: Bond, Mills, Gillespie, Vettori, Oram and Styris. that's a good attack.
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I'd be tempted to play Patel infront of Gillespie in almost all occasions unless the pitch was green. To me, he's a superior ODI bowler and Gillespie has only impressed me on the occasional instance.
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Pup Clarke said:
His ODI average after 20 games is 28.Hardly poor.He's bowled well in most games he's played for NZ IMO.
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It was tongue in cheek, but he has bowled well for the Black Caps in ODI cricket, better than his List A average of 35 suggests. I would like to see him get his E/R under 5 though, at the moment that's my only concern.
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ash_A55 said:
Do the Black Caps have many other spinners in domestic cricket besides Patel & Vettori?
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Nathan McCullum and Bruce Martin are the two next in line, both of whom average over 35 in FC cricket I think. Both are also handy lower order batsman, much like Vettori so Patel is easily the weakest batsman of the four.
 
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