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[Prince EWS]

But would their first choice have done even better than their replacements ?.....NZl may have had to chase even more had the likes of Punter been around.....

I doubt it, actually, given the scores Australia set.

Brett Lee was also missing

And he still is.

Australia lacked Symond's bowling options in the middle overs

Well no, not really, given Symonds's bowling is basically rubbish.

 

[Prince EWS]

yes and all South Africa's good performances came in the comfort of home....

Which is something Australia haven't been able to do of late.

 

[Salamuddin]

Which is something Australia haven't been able to do of late.

Utterly irrelevant.....Australia lost two one-day final games ina row. Big deal. It's nothing when you look at the bigger picture.
South Africa have not won anything away since (beating a very poor West Indies outfit in 2005).
South Africa are good at home and considerably easier to beat away from home. Australia are hard to beat just about anywhere.

 

[Salamuddin]

I doubt it, actually, given the scores Australia set.



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So the idea that if Australia had their best batsmen available, they wouldn't be able to score more than what their second stringers did is inconceivable ?

 

[Jono]

Oh, mr Hingston. When will you learn....

Did he honestly say that?

If so, LMAO. Chalk him up next to Turbinator.

 

[Prince EWS]

So the idea that if Australia had their best batsmen available, they wouldn't be able to score more than what their second stringers did is inconceivable ?

Yes it is, IMO. Apart from the first game of course, where they quite clearly would have.

 

[Turbinator]

Did he honestly say that?

If so, LMAO. Chalk him up next to Turbinator.

Some people remember just about everything.......

 

[Prince EWS]

Australia lost two one-day final games ina row.

And yet South Africa are the ones considered chokers!

Utterly irrelevant

So when South Africa achieve something that Australia don't, it's utterly irrelevant, and yet when Australia do so the same in relation to South Africa, it's perfectly relevant enough for you to harp on about?

 

[Salamuddin]

And yet South Africa are the ones considered chokers!



So when South Africa achieve something that Australia don't, it's utterly irrelevant, and yet when Australia do so the same in relation to South Africa, it's perfectly relevant enough for you to harp on about?

What have SOuth Africa achieved that Australia haven't ? THey beat NZL, Pakistan and India at home....so Australia achieved that.
South Africa scraped a win against Australia at home...well Australia hammered them in the VB series in 2005/2006 and in their group World cup match.

Australia perform both home and away unlike South Africa.....the facts back me up there.
All you have done is point a couple of circumstances where Australia have lost -- one of which there were clearly mitigating factors.
All teams lose so you have to look at consistency over a sustained period of time....and Australia are clearly superior in this regard.

 

[Prince EWS]

What have SOuth Africa achieved that Australia haven't ?

Won their recent home series, quite obviously.

Anyway, I'm not saying South Africa > Australia, because it's quite clearly not true.. however everyone knows that barring Cullinan really. What I do get annoyed with is people like you who waltz in here, talk up their own side and talk down South Africa as if they are completely hopeless when it's clearly not the case - South Africa have a quality side at the moment.

 

[pasag]

Won their recent home series, quite obviously.

Anyway, I'm not saying South Africa > Australia, because it's quite clearly not true.. however everyone knows that barring Cullinan really. What I do get annoyed with is people like you who waltz in here, talk up their own side and talk down South Africa as if they are completely hopeless when it's clearly not the case - South Africa have a quality side at the moment.

Salamuddin's a Pakistan supporter and has no love for the Australian team iirc. Dislikes the South Africans even more from what I gather, though.

 

[Salamuddin]

Won their recent home series, quite obviously.

Anyway, I'm not saying South Africa > Australia, because it's quite clearly not true.. however everyone knows that barring Cullinan really. What I do get annoyed with is people like you who waltz in here, talk up their own side and talk down South Africa as if they are completely hopeless when it's clearly not the case - South Africa have a quality side at the moment.

Well, did I say South Africa were hopeless ? No, I merely pointed out that they haven't really performed well enough away from home to be called the World NUmber 1 team.....

 

[Salamuddin]

Salamuddin's a Pakistan supporter and has no love for the Australian team iirc. Dislikes the South Africans even more from what I gather, though.

I don't like the Australian team but I'm man enough to admit that they're good, damn good....

THey can talk the talk beacuse they actually deliver.....
South Africans talk their team up big time but they don't have the same results to back them up.

 

[Jono]

Calling Salamuddin an Australian supporter... what's next, Scaly is a Pakistan cricket fan as well

 

[Prince EWS]

Well, did I say South Africa were hopeless ? No, I merely pointed out that they haven't really performed well enough away from home to be called the World NUmber 1 team.....

But why come into the Super Eights thread to do that? No-one was debating their "World #1" status...

 

[Prince EWS]

I don't like the Australian team but I'm man enough to admit that they're good, damn good....

THey can talk the talk beacuse they actually deliver.....
South Africans talk their team up big time but they don't have the same results to back them up.

They have similar results though - and every right to talk up their team IMO. It wouldn't at all shock me if they made the WC final, which is a fine achievement.

 

[Salamuddin]

They have similar results though - and every right to talk up their team IMO. It wouldn't at all shock me if they made the WC final, which is a fine achievement.

That's the point though isn't it ? In pure numbers maybe the record is similar, but look at he quality of the results achieved.......Australia won tournaments in Malaysia and India (outside their comfort zone), South AFrica at home beat the likes of NZL, Pak, India and Aus (only just though) (and beat their chest about it). Good achievement yes, but not enough for an honest appraisal of how good you really are as a team.

And the signs that RSA were not that dominant were there in the CT 2006.

 

[Salamuddin]

But why come into the Super Eights thread to do that? No-one was debating their "World #1" status...

seems as good a place as any.........they came into the WC ranked world number 1 ?
And yet, they have not really justified their billing as of yet....

 

[LA ICE-E]

Congratulations Bangladesh.

SA loss means the race for 3 of the 4 spots has , IMO , opened up again and any of the 5 teams could make the 3 semi final berths still.

SA net run rate being poor means, they have to win all three remaining games.(West Indies, NZ , England)

England need to win at least 3 of the remaining 4 with only a narrow loss in the 4th .( Australia, Bangladesh, SA, West Indies)

West Indies must win their remaining 3 .(SA, Bangladesh, England)

SL must win 2 of three . ( NZ, Australia, Ireland) but may sneak in with narrow losses to NZ and Australia and a big win over Ireland.

NZ must win 2 of their remaining 4 (Ireland, SL , Australia, SA) but may sneak in with 1 win and narrow losses in remaining 3 .

How come you didn't include Bangladesh? they have as much chance as west indies, though they are behind in the NRR a bit.

 

[LA ICE-E]

yes and all South Africa's good performances came in the comfort of home....they haven't won anything of significance away for a very long time, unlike Australia.

Well australia didn't manage to pull of a win in their home series...anyways they were #1 because they performed well and won the number of games needed to be the #1 team. They are definitely not overrated like you said.