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Format ideas for future World Cups.

LA ICE-E

State Captain
Yes, but I'm not on about wins against teams where you go in knowing you have a roughly equal chance - I'm on exclusively about games you should be winning in your sleep. The format used in this Cup meant that once that happened, the chances of recovery were slim.

Possibly not a massive loss, but it's undoubtedly a loss.

Pakistan vs England this Friday, I gurantee you, would be a far more interesting proposition than Ireland vs England is.
hell no it wouldn't...ireland vs england is going to be way better ...plus ireland had more fan support this world cup than india or pakistan...so it will have a better atmosphere..
 

LA ICE-E

State Captain
The games aren't vital for teams to win, because you get so many chances.
looks like giving teams so many chances isn't much fun is it? so one chance two chances is enough and so its still vital and still fun...though to get the best possible out of super 8 it needs this kind of format...
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
tbh, if we were playing Pak tomorrow. shambles or not, I'd be bricking it. Instead I thoroughly expect 2 points
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
hell no it wouldn't...ireland vs england is going to be way better
That'll be a Greigy nomination on Friday.
plus ireland had more fan support this world cup than india or pakistan...so it will have a better atmosphere..
:laugh:

It's been more visible, and now they're in the tournament for longer, so of course the unwary are going to think they've got more support.
 

Hamilton B

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
uh no it doesn't...even if there were the upsets and still india and pakistan won it wouldn't be a big deal to you and you wouldn't be here winging about it...so you like the '96 format then? huh? i bet you dont...
Er, actually I do. Except for the quarterfinals bit, it gave teams a much fairer chance of reaching the next stage. You don't get the point of it. There was an upset, WI still made the next round, and I have absolutely no problems with that since that format made sure one loss to Kenya didn't seal the deal for them. Contrary to what you would like to paint me as, I so like a World cup to be reasonably less of a lottery and as fair as possible.



you just bring things up when its up to your thoughts and dismiss it when you dont need it no more....you know why west indies made it to the second round? because they had a quater finals and out of 12...8 went to it...so thats the only reason they were in the next round...
geez. The quarterfinals were the next round, in case you missed it. So it makes utterly zero sense to state that the second round was a reason for them making the second round :wacko: . Simple distinction: WI lost to Kenya and India, and made the next round of 8 (and just so you don't get yourself lost, next round of 8 = the quarterfinals). India now lost to Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and didn't make the next round of 8. Comprende ?

oh so its not fair for the teams because it comes every 4 years huh? well do they get to play international cricket in between those for years?
Yes they do. And do those matches result in a culmination into crickets premier tournament ? No they don't. They count for absolutely diddly squat.

its not fair that the associates dont get to play much in between then and now
Take it up with the ICC and other boards. That has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at hand.

....it doesn't have to be fair...even though it is...ok there may not be as much room for **** ups as before but who cares...you knew the format...you had warm ups you should have selected a team who doesn't have bad starts....and you point from before that some teams start badly and then get better...well india last time had a good one...so no...you knew the format and so you should pick a team who wont have a bad start...its fair for all...india and pakistan still had a chance after losing the 1st game and they blew it...you might **** up one day and thats ok...but if you are that good you shouldn't lose again in the upcoming games...before you didn't have to pay for **** ups which isn't really exciting...now you have to pay for ****s and thats fair and exciting...you're given a situation and you have to cope with it...the team thats good all around not just in skills will win...thats world cup...skills and getting better after bad games thats more of the rankings...lets see if india or pakistan gets the #1 next april...

Way to go round and round in circles. After being repeatedly pointed out why there are better formats than the one you espouse so wholeheartedly, you still think repeating yourself is a good idea. Try posting when you can actually prove how the current format is fairer than the previous ones, because that is the point of it all, and you haven't managed to do that yet in multiple attempts. And even ignoring the cussing and the lame 'huh huhs', please learn the concepts of capitalization and paragraphs.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Because if Ireland are annhailated by England it'd be stupid to suggest what he suggested.
 

LA ICE-E

State Captain
i never said the format is fairer...i said the format is better...a format doesn't need to be fair it just needs to be exciting...also it looks like the 20/20 championship is going to have a similar format too but with 12 teams instead of 16...just for starters but i think they will bring the number up in the next ones
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
No, even if you do believe such a thing, the notion that Ireland would be more competitive - not as competetive - is still one that can be woefully incorrect.

And seriously - I'd not back against Pakistan beating England. They might be terrible, but so are we. For Azhar Mahmood, we have Sajid Mahmood. For Mohammad Sami we have Liam Plunkett. And the list goes on.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
No, even if you do believe such a thing, the notion that Ireland would be more competitive - not as competetive - is still one that can be woefully incorrect.
True as that may be, England hammering Ireland wouldn't prove such a post worthy of a Greigy, as the poster could still believe England would beat Pakistan by a larger margin. The Greigy is a "bad prediction" award - I don't think hypothetical predictions really count.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
No, indeed.

Can't even get Michael Vaughan's part-time spin away...

Ireland have been completely outclassed today by a very, very average England performance. I'd be surprised if a Pakistan with the squad they had wouldn't have done better.

No, there is indeed no way to prove that.
 

LA ICE-E

State Captain
No, indeed.

Can't even get Michael Vaughan's part-time spin away...

Ireland have been completely outclassed today by a very, very average England performance. I'd be surprised if a Pakistan with the squad they had wouldn't have done better.

No, there is indeed no way to prove that.
really richard you wont ever give them the credit they deserve...even if they won today you would say something like "England are not good at ODIs anyway, plus they cant repeat that again. Its just another fluke...etc etc etc". You probably said in the game vs SA " it was just an warm-up SA didn't care, they wont beat anyone...etc etc etc"

Its not like Vaughan never bowled before and its not like he's been put away all the time...

Ireland haven't been outclassed in everything...they were in it until like the 33rd over and doing it ok too...they bowled all tile the last five overs where england broke free(and that had something to do with Rankin crapping up and not being able to bowl) and if they could have done a better job there this game would have been much much closer...
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Ireland were never in the game once England wriggled off the hook which a ODI-class team would almost certainly never have allowed them to do.

You vastly overrate their present, as well as having no clue about their past.
 

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