Intro to Cricket

[Moe_Syzlak]

Can you much more enlightened one expound on this: ICC suspends USA cricket association

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

I just thought of something else, hadn't seen it addressed and I couldn't notice in the videos I have seen. When a six (or certain four's) is hit and the ball goes into the stands, is the ball returned, or does a fan get to keep a souvenir ? And I want to confirm, sixes and fours, they "count" in all directions correct, there is no "foul" or "out of play" area if the ball make contact with the bat.

 

[Perm]

That's correct, if you hit the ball over the boundary rope it is 6 no matter where it goes, same applies to 4's. When the ball is hit into the stands, generally it is returned. Sometimes when a very large six is hit the ball cannot be found (it may have been hit out of the ground) then a new ball will be chosen and the game will continue.

 

[nightprowler10]

there is no "foul" or "out of play" area if the ball make contact with the bat.

Keep in mind that unlike baseball, in cricket you can score anywhere and everywhere.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

OK wanted to double check the "score anywhere" part. If any one can tell me a bit more about this:

Can you much more enlightened one expound on this: ICC suspends USA cricket association

about the US Cricket Association being stripped of it's membership
AND
What about if the ball gets lost? How much time do they spend trying to find it? Do they use a new ball if it gets lost?

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

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[nightprowler10]

OK wanted to double check the "score anywhere" part. If any one can tell me a bit more about this: about the US Cricket Association being stripped of it's membership
AND
What about if the ball gets lost? How much time do they spend trying to find it? Do they use a new ball if it gets lost?

Some others might know more about the USACA, but I think it had to do with in fighting going on within the board and everything was a total mess. Though that does sound a bit like the PCB atm. Hmmm....

And if the ball gets lost, I don't think they actually spend too much time looking for it. They replace it with the ball of a similar age (IE, how many overs old).

 

[Neil Pickup]

I was playing in a game three years ago and we managed to lose four balls off my bowling. Got to the point where the game stopped as a) we didn't have any left and b) so we could retrieve them from the trees alongside the ground.

The moral of that story is don't bowl full tosses at 35mph if there's a 40-yard leg side boundary.

 

[PhoenixFire]

I was playing in a game three years ago and we managed to lose four balls off my bowling. Got to the point where the game stopped as a) we didn't have any left and b) so we could retrieve them from the trees alongside the ground.

The moral of that story is don't bowl full tosses at 35mph if there's a 40-yard leg side boundary.

 

[LA ICE-E]

OK wanted to double check the "score anywhere" part. If any one can tell me a bit more about this: about the US Cricket Association being stripped of it's membership

They got suspended because in 2005 or something like that they were having a lot of problems with their board and there was a problem with their elections and it really wasn't working...the icc suspended them then thinking they were dysfunctional...then later they gave them time to make a new constitution for the board and then have a re-election...usaca couldn't do that and so the icc extended the time to march 2007 and still the usaca couldn't come up with one and hold re-election it time...even though they did come up with a new constitution, it was greatly flawed to keep the same people in charge...so half the people didn't vote and so the re-election wasn't valid...so the icc suspended them and asked the WI board to look at the progress of usa and when they are back on track and the WI board says its all good now they will get their membership back...

 

[Stefano]

I just thought of something else, hadn't seen it addressed and I couldn't notice in the videos I have seen. When a six (or certain four's) is hit and the ball goes into the stands, is the ball returned, or does a fan get to keep a souvenir ? And I want to confirm, sixes and fours, they "count" in all directions correct, there is no "foul" or "out of play" area if the ball make contact with the bat.

In a test match, the same ball is used for 80 overs. It is not like baseball, where the ball is changed very often. After the 80th over, the captain of the fielding team can decide to take a new ball. This is also part of the strategy. Spinners prefer to bowl with an old ball, so if your spinners are creating some problems to the batsmen, the captain might wait some extra overs before taking the new ball. And if you are bowlers are able to get the reverse swing (which can be obtained only with an old ball), you might not be willing to change the ball.

And remember: fielders are allowed to apply saliva or sweat to the ball. Or they can brush the ball on their clothing. It is not like baseball, where the spitball (apply saliva to the ball) is absolutely forbidden (although it was legal till 1920). Of course, you cannot apply other substances.

 

[Craig]

I was playing in a game three years ago and we managed to lose four balls off my bowling. Got to the point where the game stopped as a) we didn't have any left and b) so we could retrieve them from the trees alongside the ground.

The moral of that story is don't bowl full tosses at 35mph if there's a 40-yard leg side boundary.

Or don't bowl at all.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

Stefano= Thanks for adding the bit about saliva and sweat I was curious about that.

OK couple more questions= I am aware one may not bowl back to back overs. What about the following situations:

1) LA ICE has bowled for his side and got Phoenix Fire out. Phoenix Fire' side is 210 runs behind and has been forced to carry one (continue? force? I forgot the correct term here). Can LA ICE start the bowling for this innings?
1a)How about the ball? Is a new one used, or is it the same?

2) In the above situation, suppose it is simply the end of play for the day and Phoenix Fire' side IS NOT OUT, they have two batsmen remaining. Can LA ICE start the bowling for the day?
2a) Is the ball the same?

3) Is the ball "new" for each side? LA ICE has gotten Phoenix Fire' side out and now LA ICE' side will bat. Is this a new ball, or the same that LA ICE was bowling with?

 

[andyc]

1) LA ICE has bowled for his side and got Phoenix Fire out. Phoenix Fire' side is 210 runs behind and has been forced to carry one (continue? force? I forgot the correct term here). Can LA ICE start the bowling for this innings?
1a)How about the ball? Is a new one used, or is it the same?

If a team is forced to follow on (), then yes, the bowler who bowled last can open the bowling again. Every time a new innings begins though, a new ball is used.

2) In the above situation, suppose it is simply the end of play for the day and Phoenix Fire' side IS NOT OUT, they have two batsmen remaining. Can LA ICE start the bowling for the day?
2a) Is the ball the same?

Yes, LA ICE could start the bowling for that day, as long he hadn't bowled the last over from the previous day. You can't bowl two consecutive overs in the same innings, even if it's split over two days.

3) Is the ball "new" for each side? LA ICE has gotten Phoenix Fire' side out and now LA ICE' side will bat. Is this a new ball, or the same that LA ICE was bowling with?

As with the first question, whenever a new innings begins, a new ball is also used. It may have already been explained, but while a ball is still shiny (ie. when it's new), it will move around in the air (swing) a lot more, and this will be easier to do for the bowler. As such, fast bowlers open the bowling so that they can use this swing. As was mentioned above, when the ball is older, spinner's can generally get more turn off the pitch with it.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

Thanks for the answers.
About bowlers. If I understand correctly, each bowler is a "specialist" is a certain type of delivery. Fast, Spinners, and Pacers.
1) Are there other types?
2) What prevents a bowler from having several styles, to 'confuse' the batmen. Perhaps Stefano can explain this as well, but in baseball, while the pitcher may have a 'specialty' pitch, every pitcher must (or should) have some basic pitches: fast ball, curve, sinker and slider. One batter may face a slider, a curve, a fast ball, and a fork ball in the same at bat. In cricket, are all the 'bowls' (?) the same for the over? Did I understand correctly: The bowler must inform the judge (umpire?) what type of ball he will bowl?
3) Baseball has the knuckle ball. Instead of grabbing it with your fingers it is grabbed with the knuckles and it is not so much thrown as it is "pushed". This is one of the hardest pitches to hit. Anyone who has faced it will tell you, the ball does almost a 'dance' and you have no idea the speed or 'path' it will take. Is there an equivalent in cricket?

 

[oz_fan]

Thanks for the answers.
About bowlers. If I understand correctly, each bowler is a "specialist" is a certain type of delivery. Fast, Spinners, and Pacers.
1) Are there other types?
2) What prevents a bowler from having several styles, to 'confuse' the batmen. Perhaps Stefano can explain this as well, but in baseball, while the pitcher may have a 'specialty' pitch, every pitcher must (or should) have some basic pitches: fast ball, curve, sinker and slider. One batter may face a slider, a curve, a fast ball, and a fork ball in the same at bat. In cricket, are all the 'bowls' (?) the same for the over? Did I understand correctly: The bowler must inform the judge (umpire?) what type of ball he will bowl?
3) Baseball has the knuckle ball. Instead of grabbing it with your fingers it is grabbed with the knuckles and it is not so much thrown as it is "pushed". This is one of the hardest pitches to hit. Anyone who has faced it will tell you, the ball does almost a 'dance' and you have no idea the speed or 'path' it will take. Is there an equivalent in cricket?

1. Fast bowlers and spinners are the only types of bowlers in cricket today. However they come in different varieties. Fast bowlers can be further categorised by their speed. E.g. Fast medium (around 130 km/h). Spin bowlers can also come in different forms such as leg spin, off spin and slow left arm.
2. Several bowlers do have more than 1 style such as Andrew Symonds who bowls medium pace and off spin. I think they prefer sticking to the one style during an over to get into a rhythm . The batsmen should also be able to tell what delivery the ball was going to be based on the run up.
3. Off spinners like Muralitharin have a delivery called the doosra which "goes the other way" (spins from leg side to the off side). The pace bowling equivalent would probably be reverse swing.

 

[nightprowler10]

Thanks for the answers.
About bowlers. If I understand correctly, each bowler is a "specialist" is a certain type of delivery. Fast, Spinners, and Pacers.
1) Are there other types?

The "specialist" is actually a reference usually to a player who is a pure bowler or a batsman. The term "specialist all rounder" is also common these days. These are people who are equally good at both bowling and batting.

As for your question, pacers are basically bowlers who rely on speed to get the batsmen out. Fast bowlers are practically pacers, as are fast-medium (80 - 89 mph), medium-fast (70 - 79 mph), medium (60 - 69 mph), medium-slow (50 - 59 mph), slow-medium (40 - 49 mph) and slow (below 40) bowlers.

Spinners are the bowlers who impart rotation to the ball to get the batsman out. There are different types of spinners as well, like off-spinners and leg-spinners.

2) What prevents a bowler from having several styles, to 'confuse' the batmen. Perhaps Stefano can explain this as well, but in baseball, while the pitcher may have a 'specialty' pitch, every pitcher must (or should) have some basic pitches: fast ball, curve, sinker and slider. One batter may face a slider, a curve, a fast ball, and a fork ball in the same at bat. In cricket, are all the 'bowls' (?) the same for the over? Did I understand correctly: The bowler must inform the judge (umpire?) what type of ball he will bowl?

As in baseball, bowlers do have other special deliveries besides their stock deliveries. A fast bowler could bowl a straight up fast one ( = fast ball in baseball), a slower ball (roughly equivalent to a sinker), reverse swing, in swing, out swing. Just like that every type of bowler usually has special deliveries to surprise the batsman. But no they don't have to tell the umpire what they're bowling, unless a spinner starts bowling pace.

3) Baseball has the knuckle ball. Instead of grabbing it with your fingers it is grabbed with the knuckles and it is not so much thrown as it is "pushed". This is one of the hardest pitches to hit. Anyone who has faced it will tell you, the ball does almost a 'dance' and you have no idea the speed or 'path' it will take. Is there an equivalent in cricket?

The only thing that comes close to a knuckle-ball (Eddie Cicotte was a god, well almost) would be reverse swing IMO.

 

[silentstriker]

Every bowler has lots of variations, and aside from changing his lengh (full, short ball, yorker) and the lateral movement (outswing, inswing, reverse swing), he also has other tools such as the slower ball. And that's just the fast bowlers.

 

[Moe_Syzlak]

A question about "wickets". I apologize because I think this may have been answered but I went back and did not see it. Does the bowler receive credit for the wicket regardless of how the batman was put out? ex=
1) silentstriker is bowling to richard (he sends a yorker along it's merry way) and pow hits the stumps.
2) Then, he bowls to nightprowler10, nightprowler hits the ball and oz-fan catches and the bails dislodged while nightprowler is outside the crease.
3) next, he bowls to andyc, andyc tips the ball with his bat and the ball has veered back. andyc and the other batsman try to grab a single but before they make it to the crease the ball has returned and the bails dislodged
4) LA ICE is the batsmen, and now he is called for a LBW
5) Neil Pickup hits it deep but Stefano catches it on the fly (on the full correct?) and is out
6) Finally, silentstriker bowls the ball to 16 tins of Spam. The ball is bowled with speed and is not hit, but does not break the wicket and escapes the grasp of the WK. The batsmen try to grab a single but before they return to the crease the bails have been dislodged.

Are all six outs referred to as wickets and all credited to silentstriker?

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

A question about "wickets". I apologize because I think this may have been answered but I went back and did not see it. Does the bowler receive credit for the wicket regardless of how the batman was put out? ex=
1) silentstriker is bowling to richard (he sends a yorker along it's merry way) and pow hits the stumps.
2) Then, he bowls to nightprowler10, nightprowler hits the ball and oz-fan catches and the bails dislodged while nightprowler is outside the crease.
3) next, he bowls to andyc, andyc tips the ball with his bat and the ball has veered back. andyc and the other batsman try to grab a single but before they make it to the crease the ball has returned and the bails dislodged
4) LA ICE is the batsmen, and now he is called for a LBW
5) Neil Pickup hits it deep but Stefano catches it on the fly (on the full correct?) and is out
6) Finally, silentstriker bowls the ball to 16 tins of Spam. The ball is bowled with speed and is not hit, but does not break the wicket and escapes the grasp of the WK. The batsmen try to grab a single but before they return to the crease the bails have been dislodged.

Are all six outs referred to as wickets and all credited to silentstriker?

1. Yes, that goes down in the scorebook as 'b silentstriker'.
2. Yes. This would be out caught though, presuming the ball hasn't bounced, that would go down as 'c oz-fan b silentstriker'. If the ball has bounced, he's more likely to be out run out, which isn't credited to the bowler and goes down as 'run out (oz-fan)'. If oz-fan is the wicket-keeper however, and nightprowler isn't trying to make a run, it is credited to the bowler and goes down as 'st oz-fan b silentstriker'.
3. No, that would definitely be run out, going down as 'run out (name of fielder)'.
4. Yes, that would go down as 'lbw b silentstriker'.
5. Yes, that's out caught and would go down as 'c Stefano b silentstriker'.
6. No, that's run out and would go down as 'run out (player name)'.

In short, a wicket is credited to the bowler unless it is a run-out. There are a few other ways of getting out which aren't credited to the bowler, but they are very, very rare.