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Sunil blasts the Australians
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silentstriker
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It was sarcasm....can ANYONE on this forum recognize sarcasm?
Swervy
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36 not out
Sanz
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And how is that considered as bad behaviour ? He thought that 300+ was an unbeatable score and he decided to grind in.
legglancer12
School Boy/Girl Captain
agree completely ......
Swervy
International Captain
because he showed a complete disregard for the spirit of the game, and a complete disregard for the people who had paid good money to go and see India play. It would appear that Sunny has thought the universe revolves around him for quite some while
One of the low points really of Indian cricket in the last 40 years
i don't think sarwan is really mean enough to pointedly allude to mcgrath's cancer-stricken wife, i would say it was more a spontaneous reaction in the heat of the moment to an obscenity flung at him....mcgrath lost his cool especially because his wife was not well at the time but as to lines being drawn somewhere, what you are saying is laughable(are you saying certain kinds of obscenities should be tolerated and certain others should be punished?), what mcgrath said crossed all bounds of decency and if he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out...
C_C
International Captain
This is a classic case of 'there aint no smoke without a fire'.
All this talk of 'jealousy' is utterly bull****. The aussie team are uncouth, hence they get flak for it. This is not jealousy of success or equal stories would've been propagated about the Windies team or Brazilian team in soccer.
All this talk of 'jealousy' is utterly bull****. The aussie team are uncouth, hence they get flak for it. This is not jealousy of success or equal stories would've been propagated about the Windies team or Brazilian team in soccer.
social
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Oh, yeah that claim has a heck of a lot of credibility
http://thatscricket.oneindia.in/news/2001/05/08/080501afp-mcgrath.html
The only guy that heard it wasnt even on the field at the time and first revealed it when trying to sell a book
The_Bunny
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C_C
International Captain
You presume correctly.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Low Points ? Are you for real Swervy ? If you want to criticize Sunny, at least be fair.
It is really not an issue, it never was. It is brought up only when people run of ideas to criticize Sunny. I am no great fan of Sunny as a cricketer or a person, but how is him scoring 36 runs in 174 balls once in his career different from Virender Sehwag throwing his wicket in 150 ODIs ? How is it different from Tendulkar throwing his wicket away in the world cup finals when India needed him most ? I would have liked Tendulkar to Bat for 50 overs in the WC, at least I would have had the satisfaction that my player was still there until the end.
Lastly..Before you go on blaming Sunny, can you please check the scorecard of the match and tell us if he was the only one in that game who scored at that rate ? To me it seemed like the team was strategy to not lose any wicket (The other opener Solkar scored 8 runs in 34 balls), Brijesh Patel was not much better. Only person that batted with some urgency was Vishy, so to blame sunny for the fiasco is very opportunistic despite the fact that you have no knowledge of what went on in the dresssing room.
Burgey
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How many series as captain has Ponting lost? His skills weren't great in '05, but they proved pretty handy last summer out here. He's getting beter by the year as a captain. He's still relatviely new to it and already has one World Cup under his belt as skipper and a 5-0 thrashing of the 2nd ranked team in the world as well. A fair-dinkum dud.
Well, that's absurd, frankly. How does Ponting demean the role of captain? For having a crack at an umpire in that series in Malaysia and for a blow up at the England coach concerning tactics which he saw as unsporting and aboout which he had sought redress before the incident?
If those two incidents demean the role of captain, so must Inzi's effort at the Oval, Ganguly's claiming a catch from Gilchrist in the WC final in 03 that bounced a foot in front of him and his consistent refusal to appear at the toss on time in a test series, Gavaskar's walk off with Chauhan, Greig's abuse of Hookes in the 77 Centenary Test and his "make them grovel" remark, and Lloyd & Richards allowing their bowlers to get by sending down 65-75 overs per day in an era where the governing bodies were trying to speed up play.
So, if you want to say that Ponting demeans the position of captain, feel free to do so, but please oh please, for just once can we set the same standards for everyone, and not just a team or player you either do not support or simply just dislike?
C_C
International Captain
Absurd to think otherwise imo.
Stupid dumb statements like Ponting has been quoted in that article are dime-a-dozen, disputes umpiring decisions, getting drunk and into fights, etc. really do not fit the character of a cricket captain at international levels.
And the issue, as i said before ( in relation to the Aussie team but relevant in Ponting's case too) is not that Aussies have bad on-field incidents and others dont- its that the Aussies have far more bad on-field incidents that the authorities blatantly let slip compared to other teams.
And again, it is not to be excused by #1 ranking- as the examples i've given of various other #1 teams and attitudes towards them demonstrate.
I think this thread has so far seen four kinds of people - the few Aussies who are willing to admit their cricket team or more in general,their sporting culture is out of line; the rest of the Aussies who simply won't accept that there is a problem with their team's attitude, people who call it as they see it (ie, Aussie team really does have an attitude prob) and the people who want to avoid singular criticism of Australian team's attitude simply for the sake of political correctness.
There is no 'simply' to my dislike. I dislike the Toronto Maple Leafs for precisely the same reason i dislike the Aussie cricket team : they are in general, goons compared to the rest. And you are being just as intractable as a Maple Leafs fan who doesn't want to admit how uncouth their team is.
social
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A more balanced and realistic view
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/cricketer/content/story/140873.html
C_C
International Captain
Uhh..since when is mid 70s Euro-centric articles become 'a more balanced and realistic view' ?!?
Burgey
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Well, nice to know that you're capable of categorising everyone so well. For the sake of your argument, let's deal with the points you've raised.
Where are the "dime-a-dozen" stupid quotes he makes?
Ponting got into a fight in a pub years before he was made captain. So you're saying that that incident disqualifies him from assuming the captaincy years later? Then Botham should never have captained England given his run-in with Ian Chappell in a pub years before he was captain.
Disputes umpires' decisions. So Viv Richards should never have been made captain because he disputed an umpire's decision in a first class match in Antigua when given out for a duck, causing the crowd to riot and the match to be postponed until he was recalled (incidently, and pretty funnily, he then got another duck and furthermore completed a pair, or a triple, depending on which way you look at it
). He was suspended for about 12 months I think after that incident - should he never have captained the Windies, or do we (rightly, imo) forgive him that transgression? If Ponting or any other captain walks up to an umpire and asks him about a decision, is that dissent, or is he acting as he is entitled to inhis capacity as captain? I don't excuse the Malaysia blow up, which was frankly stupid on his part.The Aussies have more on-field incidents which the authorities blatantly let slip: evidence please? That's a very broad comment to make and one which requires evidence if it is to be considered accurate. For Gods sake, Anre Nel carries on more in a twenty-twenty match than the entire Aussie team does in a season, and all I ever hear is "he's a character and he's good for the game". Furthermore, though slightly off the topic, if umpires and referees don't police things, that's a reflection on them as officials, not the Australian or any other cricket team for that matter.
Dealing with the categories you mentioned, in particular the first category, being "Those who agree with you". To say that there is a problem with Australian sporting culture in general, let alone with the cricket team is a base allegation. What do you say, that it's too aggressive, too over-the-top? Is that what you mean by "out of line?" That's a gross generalisation, the equivalent of me coming on here and saying that teams from the sub-continent aren't aggressive enough and are therefore soft. You just can't generalise like that. We've had many people say that there is a need for more cross-cultural understanding on the cricket field and sporting fields in general - well, that cuts both ways. Something which you may consider rude or aggressive may not be seen that way in another culture - understanding is a two-way street. The Australian sporting culture which you decry as out of line has produced as many Rafters, Rosewalls, Lavers, Thorpes, Hacketts, Woodfulls, Gilchrists, Freemans, Landys, (Ron) Clarkes and Lionel Roses as it has Hewitts, Mundines, (Merv) Hughes, etc.
As for other number one teams, it doen't matter where they are ranked - there's no excuse if behaviour is bad - Italy are number one in soccer, look at their cynical escapades at the World Cup last year ("diving's part of the game" - largely accepted by the footballing world).
I don't think the Australian team are angels - some of their behaviour isn't good, some of it is worse than not good. Most of it is good, and when it isn't they should be disciplined like everyone else. I don't see how their behaviour is worse than that of most other teams in general. I do, hoever, believe that their indiscretions are scrutinised to a greater extent because of their current ranking in world cricket.
As for Sunny - great player, though anyone who saw his walk off with Chauhan and seeks to apply the same standards as you do to Ponting, may wish to question Gavaskar's legacy to the game.
Edit: I don't consider my self intractable really, though that's a matter for others to decide. I'd just like you apply the same standards to other teams that you do to Australia. But if you wish to categorise the Australian team as ruffians and thugs (goons, in other words), then that's your prerogative.
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