*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

[Pup Clarke]

I hate it when people just assume it's all the foreigners that do the diving and not the British

How many English players really dive and compare it to the number of foreigners.It's a fact that Foreigners dive more than British players.If you watch La Liga and some games in the EPL you will recognise this.

 

[Pup Clarke]

You really can't compare players who play in totally different positions.They both have different playing styles.You can however compare players like Fabregas and Xavi as they play in the same position.

 

[Loony BoB]

I don't keep check of the names of players that dive, but I do know that I've seen dozens of British players do it on many occasions. Maybe "in the old days" it never happened, but when the foreign players allegedly "brought it over" I can say that well over half of the England national football team seem to have embraced the 'simulation' process with open arms. That includes the likes of Gerrard, Cole (both of 'em), Lampard, Rooney, Beckham, Owen, Defoe, Johnson, Lennon, all of whih I've seen dive once or twice at least. I've once even been suspicious of a certain Gary Neville, but I found it too hard to believe and figured he just lost his footing... never seen that happen more than once with him, though, admittedly. Never seen Rio, Terry or Carragher dive but I imagine that central defenders would have a rough time doing so.

Likewise, there are a lot of foreign players who I've never seen dive despite watching them play a fair amount of games.

EDIT: The only people to blame for diving, as far as I'm concerned, would be the FA who don't do enough to bring in technology and delayed punishments (ie, if it's found a player dived after the game is over, they get given a yellow card for it - much like a crime can still be punished in the real world if it's discovered five years later).

 

[Pup Clarke]

Likewise, there are a lot of foreign players who I've never seen dive despite watching them play a fair amount of games.

Names?

 

[BoyBrumby]

How many English players really dive and compare it to the number of foreigners.It's a fact that Foreigners dive more than British players.If you watch La Liga and some games in the EPL you will recognise this.

Ashley Cole, Rooney & (of course) Owen all go to ground rather too easily for the purists, I'd say & all would be in a first choice England XI. Andy Johnson is a serial offender too & he's also been in the England sqaud of late.

It's clearly the foreigners leading our honest lads astray tho.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Ashley Cole, Rooney & (of course) Owen all go to ground rather too easily for the purists, I'd say & all would be in a first choice England XI. Andy Johnson is a serial offender too & he's also been in the England sqaud of late.

It's clearly the foreigners leading our honest lads astray tho.

When has Andy Johnson dived to get a penalty?.Alot of people suggest he does but when I see penalties given to him most of them look stonewallers.Ashley Cole,Rooney and Owen are certainly not notorious and blatant divers compared to a number of foreigners.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I don't keep check of the names of players that dive, but I do know that I've seen dozens of British players do it on many occasions. Maybe "in the old days" it never happened, but when the foreign players allegedly "brought it over" I can say that well over half of the England national football team seem to have embraced the 'simulation' process with open arms. That includes the likes of Gerrard, Cole (both of 'em), Lampard, Rooney, Beckham, Owen, Defoe, Johnson, Lennon, all of whih I've seen dive once or twice at least. I've once even been suspicious of a certain Gary Neville, but I found it too hard to believe and figured he just lost his footing... never seen that happen more than once with him, though, admittedly. Never seen Rio, Terry or Carragher dive but I imagine that central defenders would have a rough time doing so.

Likewise, there are a lot of foreign players who I've never seen dive despite watching them play a fair amount of games.

EDIT: The only people to blame for diving, as far as I'm concerned, would be the FA who don't do enough to bring in technology and delayed punishments (ie, if it's found a player dived after the game is over, they get given a yellow card for it - much like a crime can still be punished in the real world if it's discovered five years later).

Not true. Dear old Franny Lee (ex Man City player & sometime chairman) was nototrious for diving. He was popularly known as Lee Won Pen (best said in Chinese accent for full effect).

Here's a YouTube clip of an outrageous dive when he was seeing out the tailend of his career at Derby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7pMIQvL8TQ

Which lead to this scrap between Franny & his victim Norman Hunter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEP27ff6Qc&mode=related&search=

 

[Pup Clarke]

Not true. Dear old Franny Lee (ex Man City player & sometime chairman) was nototrious for diving. He was popularly known as Lee Won Pen (best said in Chinese accent for full effect).

Here's a YouTube clip of an outrageous dive when he was seeing out the tailend of his career at Derby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7pMIQvL8TQ

Which lead to this scrap between Franny & his victim Norman Hunter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEP27ff6Qc&mode=related&search=

When you're running at that pace and somebody tugs you from behind you are going to fall over.I'd hardly say that was a blatant or outrageous dive.Hell I've seen thousands more times a player has gone to ground ridiciously and that was not one of them.Exaggerated fall yes but not a dive.He was nudged in the back and you are going to fall over.

 

[Loony BoB]

Never seen Vidic dive and I think I've watched every one of his games. Don't recall Evra/Silvestre/Heinze doing it either. I don't know the players from other sides all too well, admittedly, and probably haven't watched them long enough - but I'm sure it's down to the individual rather than the nationality. Saying otherwise is rather racist and/or xenophobic (?).

I don't know any forwards that don't dive, regardless of where they're from. Does anyone?

EDIT: Oh, come on, get off it mate - I've seen Rooney dive more often than I've seen Ronaldo dive in the past two seasons. And I'm a United supporter. I am however glad to say that the diving in United has been far less frequent this season than it used to be - I think SAF has had a word and it's become a rarity. I don't recall as much diving by teams we're playing against this season compared to the last one, either.

 

[BoyBrumby]

When has Andy Johnson dived to get a penalty?.Alot of people suggest he does but when I see penalties given to him most of them look stonewallers.Ashley Cole,Rooney and Owen are certainly not notorious and blatant divers compared to a number of foreigners.

AJ must've dived dozens of times; ditto Cashley. As for Owen he dived to win us penalties against Argentina in consecutive world cups; Rooney pulled off a tumbling act against Arsenal in 2004 when we were going for our 50th unbeaten match on the bounce.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

I don't know any forwards that don't dive, regardless of where they're from. Does anyone?

Solskjær

 

[BoyBrumby]

When you're running at that pace and somebody tugs you from behind you are going to fall over.I'd hardly say that was a blatant or outrageous dive.Hell I've seen thousands more times a player has gone to ground ridiciously and that was not one of them.Exaggerated fall yes but not a dive.He was nudged in the back and you are going to fall over.

The point is that whatever you call it, be it "simulation", "diving", "exaggerating contact" or "earning the free kick/penalty", it's been around in the English game for donkey's years. How many foreigners did we have in our in game in the early/mid 70s?

 

[Loony BoB]

I optimistically searched for 'football history diving' on YouTube and ended up with videos of Sonic and Tails.

 

[Pup Clarke]

AJ must've dived dozens of times; ditto Cashley Rooney pulled off a tumbling act against Arsenal in 2004 when we were going for our 50th unbeaten match on the bounce.

Must have being the key words.Rooney according to you dived on one occasion.He's not a notorious diver like a Deco or a Drogba who make a habit of it in most games they play.One example of somebody diving doesn't mean they do it all the time.

 

[Loony BoB]

Rooney dives in domestic games. I've seen him do it at least 5-10 times. Him doing it annoys me more than anyone because he's so good when he just jumps over the opposition's tackle and carries on. But if he's in the penalty box, no sir, suddenly he's not capable of staying up - although I notice he never dives over goalkeepers, at least.

Still, annoying as hell.

I find it funny that a Scot is saying English players don't dive when English people and United supporters are all saying Rooney and other English players do dive.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Still, annoying as hell.

I find it funny that a Scot is saying English players don't dive when English people and United supporters are all saying Rooney and other English players do dive.

I'm not saying they don't dive but I haven't seen enough examples of them diving apart from Gerrard.They are not as renowned a divers as alot of foreigners IMO.

 

[Scaly piscine]

AJ must've dived dozens of times; ditto Cashley. As for Owen he dived to win us penalties against Argentina in consecutive world cups; Rooney pulled off a tumbling act against Arsenal in 2004 when we were going for our 50th unbeaten match on the bounce.

Very understandable diving against the uber cheats in your examples.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Very understandable diving against the uber cheats in your examples.

I wasn't knocking it. Rightly or wrongly it's part of today's game, I'd go so far as to say that a striker who doesn't go down under contact in the box is doing his team a disservice. I just don't like the holier-than-thou attitude that it's only foreigners who do it.

EDIT: I did get the implied dig at Arsenal, I just chose to ignore it.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Nicely worked goal from Spurs, wondering who the CDMs fans are supporting in this match.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Nicely worked goal from Spurs, wondering who the CDMs fans are supporting in this match.

Well, speaking for my people, it's clearly the Chavs.