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Muralitharan - javelin thrower
- Thread starter James
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Please tell me you're joking
I honesly don't know whether you are actually as obtuse as you appear or just attempting to extact the urine...
Ok... lets say ANYBODY else thinks of partly agreeing with you and we'll say that yes any delivery that requires more straightening than the minimum should be deemed illegal...
you do realise that any object rotated at pace will flex to some degree and the level of flexion is related to the speed of rotation...
So the faster you move your arm the the more you bend it... (I initially assumed that you realise that to bowl faster generally you're arm needs to move faster but i thought it best not to make such an asumption in dealing with you). We will aslo give bowlers some credit by endowing them with the above knowledge.
So any bowler who bowls faster than the bare minimum is (according to you) "deliberately" breaking the laws and spirit of the game by bending their elbows more than they otherwise could...
So what every bowler would have to do is train hard in the nets in order to achieve a speed just fast enough to get to the other end of the pitch without breaking the noball/deadball rule for multiple bounces but no faster because if they "deliberately" try to bowl any faster then they are "deliberately" bowling a delivery which will cause their elbows to bend more than otherwise?
Bring back underarm I say
*Note: This part was added by me as a means of paraphrasing
PS - sorry if the above seems disjointed, i'm at work and have to pretend to be doing something else
This is one of the dumbest cases of murali-bashing i have ever heard...
I honesly don't know whether you are actually as obtuse as you appear or just attempting to extact the urine...
Ok... lets say ANYBODY else thinks of partly agreeing with you and we'll say that yes any delivery that requires more straightening than the minimum should be deemed illegal...
you do realise that any object rotated at pace will flex to some degree and the level of flexion is related to the speed of rotation...
So the faster you move your arm the the more you bend it... (I initially assumed that you realise that to bowl faster generally you're arm needs to move faster but i thought it best not to make such an asumption in dealing with you). We will aslo give bowlers some credit by endowing them with the above knowledge.
So any bowler who bowls faster than the bare minimum is (according to you) "deliberately" breaking the laws and spirit of the game by bending their elbows more than they otherwise could...
So what every bowler would have to do is train hard in the nets in order to achieve a speed just fast enough to get to the other end of the pitch without breaking the noball/deadball rule for multiple bounces but no faster because if they "deliberately" try to bowl any faster then they are "deliberately" bowling a delivery which will cause their elbows to bend more than otherwise?
Bring back underarm I say
*Note: This part was added by me as a means of paraphrasing
PS - sorry if the above seems disjointed, i'm at work and have to pretend to be doing something else
JBH001
International Regular
LOL SS!
Science? We don't need no stinkin' science. We have our pitchforks.
Completely agree. Its odd (and a little sad) that so many people will turn to science and experts in almost every facet and area of their lives, but when it clashes with their own prejudices and preconceptions...God forbid!
JBH001
International Regular
Yeh, me too. I too think that the brace would have to provide some give, probably a minimal 3 - 5 degree give. IIRC he was able to bowl all his deliveries without any problem though at a slower pace than match speed - part of the reason for this being the weight of the brace, and perhaps the restriction of the brace on arm speed?
I believe he has also worked on his action relatively recently, returning it to more what it used to be, as fatigue and injuries and time had combined to mar his action considerably so that the likelihood of his contravening the existing laws was considerably higher. It has actually made him a better bowler - if his recent performances are any indication.
However, and more to the point, even if Murali does contravene the law with his doosra from time to time (say during a long spell), I am not all that fussed about it. I reckon with oversize bats, smaller boundaries, and flatter pitches, bowlers need to actively use the grey areas available to them - the same applies to quicks and ball tampering.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Except you are required to bowl the same delivery at about the same speed. But then again, facts are not exactly important I suppose.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Playing devil's advocate, you can bowl it at the same speed with not as much "work" on the ball pretty easily.
Possibly... but it was my understanding that the bending was a related to the speed at which the arm was rotated?
This was partof the problem with the old rule allowing diff tolerances for diff bowlers... Murali for example was allowed a tolerance of 5deg rather than 15 allowed for fast bowlers.
Testing showd that the logic was flawed because murali's arm moved at the same speed as a fast bowlers, the difference being that the momentum generated went into imparting sideways movement rather than pace...
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
As a spinner, you rotate your arm at a speed that would normally mean that the ball comes out quickly, but because of grips and rotations of wrists, the ball comes out slower. The slower ball exemplifies this.
However, you can put less work on the ball, slow your arm down, but the ball can come out at the same pace still, if you wanted to "dodge the system", for want of a better term.
Yeah i thought something along those lines after i read through my post again... but i would think that the reports would have mentioned if he was turning the ball significantly less (in either direction) than he did during a match? As reports seemed to indicate he achieved similar results to those in match conditions (after making allowances for the weight and hinderance of the brace) we can assume he was imparting the same amount of force both vertically and horizontally (ie same pace and revs on the ball).
Is this correct or have my high school physics let me down?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
But speed is not the main issue with Murali. And beyond a certain threshold, I dont think it is just possible to bowl at certain speeds without some sort of flex involved.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yep, and Warney only throws the quicker one, the flipper, the wrong un, the zooter, the leg break and cigarettes.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
He also needs to prove can spin the ball just as much with a brace. And he did.
legglancer12
School Boy/Girl Captain
He is still Better than Ian Smith or Martin Crowe
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Do you mind? The grownups are talking, thank you.
Lostman
State Captain
managed to get your hands free to type something?
Fiery
Banned
I think Murali throws therefore I masturbate? OK Lostman.
I think you said exactly the same thing last time I stated my opinion on his action except you directly called me a "wanker" that time. Try to come up with some new material mate
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If the lubricated glove fits...
Fiery
Banned
I haven't tried that. Thanks Vicky
