The Best Skipper

[mjtaba]

Who is the best skipper for Pakistan after Imran Khan.My choice is Wasim Akram,what do you guys say?

 

[PhoenixFire]

I say not another Pakistan fanboy.

Hmm, Fleming is pretty good, as well as Steve Waugh.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Fleming is massively overrated.

Vaughan the best captain out of those in the World Cup.

 

[mjtaba]

I say not another Pakistan fanboy.

Hmm, Fleming is pretty good, as well as Steve Waugh.

where do u rate ricky ponting???

 

[PhoenixFire]

where do u rate ricky ponting???

Not that highly really. He couldn't fail with the team at his disposal. Obviously he has some skill, but not a great deal.

But a great batsman.

 

[Evermind]

Fleming is massively overrated.

Vaughan the best captain out of those in the World Cup.

Except he doesn't count, cause he has a low bowling all-rounder's average - he's a good captain but a liability as a player.

 

[Natman20]

Fleming is massively overrated.

Vaughan the best captain out of those in the World Cup.

I would take Flemings average of 32.15 over Vaughan's 27.7. Plus Fleming has more experience. Plus Fleming has had more winning experiences than vaughan in ODIs plus Vaughan is over-rated. Vaughan is nothing spectacular and I think Fleming has passed his peak but is still a good captain.

 

[PATRIOTIC]

Who is the best skipper for Pakistan after Imran Khan.My choice is Wasim Akram,what do you guys say?

After Imran I think Rashid Latif was the best skipper. He did groomed few youngsters. Plus he got integrity, which doesnt work in Pakistan.

 

[Neil Pickup]

After Imran I think Rashid Latif was the best skipper. He did groomed few youngsters. Plus he got integrity, which doesnt work in Pakistan.

Not after claiming that catch, he doesn't.

 

[pup11]

Mark Taylor is one of my all time favourite captains more in test matches tough, But i rate "Steve Tugga Waugh" as the best.

 

[Richard]

I would take Flemings average of 32.15 over Vaughan's 27.7.

Those averages don't come close to doing justice to the difference between the players.

Get rid of substandard sides in Vaughan's, for a start, then think what Fleming's might be if he'd batted four for his entire ODI career rather than opening almost every game for the last 5 years.

 

[Richard]

Mark Taylor is one of my all time favourite captains more in test matches tough, But i rate "Steve Tugga Waugh" as the best.

Virtually none who either played against or observed from the outside rate Stephen Waugh > Taylor.

Only Waugh's players and relatively clueless spectators do such a thing, which tells you a bit about Waugh's ability to inspire loyalty...

 

[Richard]

Not after claiming that catch, he doesn't.

So Geraint Jones is now consigned to disgrace after claiming a similar catch against the same excuse for an international-class side?

 

[Richard]

Fleming is massively overrated.

EXD's daily nonsensical post.

 

[Richard]

what do you guys say?

Why is a question like this in the WC Forum, is what I say (ask, rather).

 

[thierry henry]

Those averages don't come close to doing justice to the difference between the players.

Get rid of substandard sides in Vaughan's, for a start, then think what Fleming's might be if he'd batted four for his entire ODI career rather than opening almost every game for the last 5 years.

Fleming has batted #4 82 times and averaged 32.84. He's opened 97 times and averaged 33.26. I don't really see where you're coming from.

 

[Richard]

Most of his opening innings have been in the prime of his career. But you can clearly see that he's not an opener.

I'd say if he'd batted four for most of the last 5 years his average there would probably be in the late 30s at worst.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Most of his opening innings have been in the prime of his career. But you can clearly see that he's not an opener.

I'd say if he'd batted four for most of the last 5 years his average there would probably be in the late 30s at worst.

Agreed.
Fleming has basically sacrificed stats (which, i think, far too many people take as gospel) over the side by opening.

 

[Richard]

Who's to say, though, that Fleming wouldn't have been even more use to the side at four were he averaging 40 or whatever and someone else (Michael Papps, for example) was opening?

 

[silentstriker]

Ponting.