Why no Border in allstar team?

[andmark]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/other_international/australia/6400949.stm


I'm only going by what I've heard about Allan Border,and statistics.But why isn't he there?

 

[murray]

He should be there. I can't imagine why he isn't.

 

[NZTailender]

Maybe because there are 7 better batsmen in the history of Australian ODI's than him?

 

[murray]

But there aren't.

 

[NZTailender]

Mark Waugh, Adam Gilchrist, Dean Jones, Michael Hussey, Michael Bevan, Damien Martyn, David Boon, Ricky Ponting, Steve Waugh, Andrew Symonds > Allan Border in ODI's.

 

[murray]

I disagree.

 

[NZTailender]

I disagree.

Wow, thanks for that. Any reason why you disagree? Maybe you think he was more valuable? Was better at ODI's than everyone I mentioned? His captaincy? The fact he just managed to average 30?

Yeah, Border was a great batsman, but IMO, not worthy of a place in the all-time Australian ODI team.

 

[andyc]

But there aren't.

I disagree.

Eloquent, aren't you? ()

 

[murray]

Well, there isn't much point going into detail over a difference of opinion. Neither of us will convince the other.

 

[NZTailender]

Well, there isn't much point going into detail over a difference of opinion. Neither of us will convince the other.

How do you know that? Try me. You may bring up some magnificent points that I've overlooked in concluding that Border isn't in the top 7 ODI batsman in Australia's history.

 

[murray]

I was over better player arguments over the internet many years ago. I'm simply happy to state my disagreement and move on.

 

[Richard]

Tests aren't ODIs.

The presumption that there isn't much of a difference is the only reason for Allan Border and Stephen Waugh being taken remotely seriously as ODI players when the reality is that both were wholly ordinary.

 

[Richard]

Mark Waugh, Adam Gilchrist, Dean Jones, Michael Hussey, Michael Bevan, Damien Martyn, David Boon, Ricky Ponting, Steve Waugh, Andrew Symonds > Allan Border in ODI's.

Not to mention Michael Clarke, Simon Katich, DARREN LEHMANN (shame on you for missing him, Greg), Kepler Wessels, Greg Chappell, hell even Matthew Hayden, and probably quite a few others.

Allan Border in ODIs is massively overrated.

 

[Zinzan]

Even though its early days in his career, I'd have Hussey ahead of Steve Waugh and have Ponting as captain.

 

[murray]

Tests aren't ODIs.

The presumption that there isn't much of a difference is the only reason for Allan Border and Stephen Waugh being taken remotely seriously as ODI players when the reality is that both were wholly ordinary.

That's nice. IMO in context Border was a great odi player.

 

[murray]

Not to mention Michael Clarke, Simon Katich, DARREN LEHMANN (shame on you for missing him, Greg), Kepler Wessels, Greg Chappell, hell even Matthew Hayden, and probably quite a few others.

Allan Border in ODIs is massively overrated.

IMO pretty much every player in your post is even more overrated.

 

[NZTailender]

Not to mention Michael Clarke, Simon Katich, DARREN LEHMANN (shame on you for missing him, Greg), Kepler Wessels, Greg Chappell, hell even Matthew Hayden, and probably quite a few others.

Allan Border in ODIs is massively overrated.

I love you, Richard

 

[Richard]

IMO pretty much every player in your post is even more overrated.

You've got to be joking, really. Lehmann in particular is one of the most underrated players in ODI history.

 

[Richard]

That's nice. IMO in context Border was a great odi player.

In context of what?

 

[murray]

In context of what?

ODI cricket at the time, with regards to both opposition and Australian cricket.