**Official** Chappell-Hadlee Series

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

IMO most of these problems that the aussie face today are due to lack of proper planning. When they were taking Hogg, tait, and hodge they should have played a lot more games in the CB series then they did, they should have rested their batsmen too in random order.
That way they would have had some rest hence probably avoiding the injuries to the likes of punter,clarke, imagine if symo would have been rested for the sydney odi.

Fascinating... in triplicate.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Lee to Australia > Oram to New Zealand.

Lee is the leading ODI bowler in team Australia at this stage, with McGrath's role being downplayed. Oram is a useful-to-good ODI bowler for New Zealand who has discovered some excellent batting form of late.

If anyone honestly believes that Oram's worth to New Zealand is greater than that of Lee to Australia due to a couple of (admittedly outstanding) innings, that really reflects very poorly on that person's perception of New Zealand cricket.

Fair enough. Just pointing out that New Zealand weren't at full strength either, and if Australia concede 340 with just one first-string bowler missing, clearly the rest of the first-string bowlers weren't covering themselves in glory either, as well as the replacements.

 

[Blaze]

Lee to Australia > Oram to New Zealand.

Lee is the leading ODI bowler in team Australia at this stage, with McGrath's role being downplayed. Oram is a useful-to-good ODI bowler for New Zealand who has discovered some excellent batting form of late.

If anyone honestly believes that Oram's worth to New Zealand is greater than that of Lee to Australia due to a couple of (admittedly outstanding) innings, that really reflects very poorly on that person's perception of New Zealand cricket.

Mills + Oram to New Zealand > Lee to Australia

Kyle Mills has been our best ODI seamer for at least the last 12 months, probably longer.

 

[Zinzan]

That was one of the most disgraceful performances I've ever seen from Australia in the field and with the ball. Downright embarassing.

I know how you feel, I thought NZ's bowlers were equally as embarassing in the first innings, with the exception of Bond

 

[Zinzan]

But it was a full-strength New Zealand that played exceptionally well in order to beat an Australia team lacking a key bowler. That illustrates my point to an extent. Had New Zealand been lacking a similarly key player, it could have been a lot different.

That's my point. Australia may be lacking depth, but so is every other team in world cricket. The only reason people dwell on Australia's perceived lack of depth as a major issue, is because the full-strength team is still very good. Every other team lacks depth too, but those teams don't pose as great a threat when at full strength.

A full strength Australian outfit is still the best in the world. At least until South Africa beats the Aussies consistently.

Full strength No Mills (our best oneday bowler of the 18 months), Oram (our best allrounder) and arguably Franklin, Martin or Mason ahead of Tuffey.

At least get your facts right

 

[Pup Clarke]

Full strength No Mills (our best oneday bowler of the 18 months), Oram (our best allrounder) and arguably Franklin, Martin or Mason ahead of Tuffey.

At least get your facts right

It was hardly a severly weakened NZ team though.If Bond,Taylor,Vincent and Vettori weren't playing you could call it a NZ team defiently not at full strength.

 

[Zinzan]

It was hardly a severly weakened NZ team though.If Bond,Taylor,Vincent and Vettori weren't playing you could call it a NZ team defiently not at full strength.

I would say having your 2nd best opening bowling and your best allrounder out is a significant loss. Oram is at least as valuable to NZ as Symonds is for Aust.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'd even say Sarwan is a better legspinner than Cameron White at this stage.

Rudolph too!

 

[Pup Clarke]

Rudolph too!

Yep,worst bowler I have just about ever seen.That long hop he bowled was so short it was laughable and the three full tosses he bowled were also dreadful deliveries.I thought when he came to Somerset last year that he was a leg spinning all rounder but that is most certainly not the case.

 

[Prince EWS]

And I'm fully aware of that.

But just because he's picked as a batsman, it doesn't mean his bowling cannot be singled out for criticism when it's as crap as it is.

What about Brian Lara's leggies then? I'd class them worse than White's.

You really think if he had never bowled a ball he would still be picked? From what I see, it is certainly a factor in his selection.

If he is picked purely as a batsmn then my heavy defence of Australian depth and production line is misplaced. He is a distance short of what I would define as an Australian standard batsman.

And yes to add what we all know, his bowling is horrible. Im I the only one who thinks his wrist is in completely the wrong position and everything comes out as a near topper? (going from memory)

Yes, yes I do think he would have been picked. For the #7 position in ODIs, his batting style is perfect, and his form with the bat in domestic one day cricket was second to none.

 

[Pup Clarke]

What about Brian Lara's leggies then? I'd class them worse than White's.

Never seen Lara bowl his leggies so can't comment.He surely can't be worse than White?

 

[Smudge]

What about Brian Lara's leggies then? I'd class them worse than White's.

I've seen Lara land one on a length...

 

[Prince EWS]

I've seen Lara land one on a length...

I've seen White bowl a spell of 10-44-4.

 

[Pup Clarke]

I've seen White bowl a spell of 10-44-4.

Was that 2-3 years ago by any chance?

 

[Smudge]

I've seen White bowl a spell of 10-44-4.

That's nice. Wasn't at international level though, was it?

 

[Prince EWS]

That's nice. Wasn't at international level though, was it?

I've seen him land one on a length at international level.

There's no denying that White's bowling is complete and utter rubbish and I actually stated such before he was selected. But to say he is the worst leg spinner ever clearly isn't true when guys like Like exist.

 

[Smudge]

I've seen him land one on a length at international level.

There's no denying that White's bowling is complete and utter rubbish and I actually stated such before he was selected. But to say he is the worst leg spinner ever clearly isn't true when guys like Like exist.

What part of me being allowed to have an opinion are you struggling with?

He is the worst leg spinner I've seen at international level. The key contraction there being "I've".

 

[Pup Clarke]

Yes but for someone who was supposedly half decent at bowling 2-3 years ago he is alot worse than Lara who hardly ever bowled.Bowling was not Lara's speciality as we all know.

 

[Smudge]

And I note Lara's ODI bowling average is clearly superior...

 

[Pup Clarke]

And I note Lara's ODI bowling average is clearly superior...

Not bad for a very occasional leggie .