Ban Aussies From County Cricket

[Son Of Coco]

Haha, opposite for me. I loved Gough to bits and still do but Cork was, to me, the ultimate bowler (and, IAH, still is - there's no-one I love seeing do well more than him). His form in 1995, 1995\96 and the First Test of 1996 is one of the strongest cricket memories of mine pre-1998.

I was impossibly disappointed when he faded out of the picture following his personal problems in 1996 and only ever had moments thereafter.

I still dream of what might have been if we'd ever got Fraser, Gough, Caddick and Cork together...

And I genuinely do believe, too, that had Cork not had his problems in 1996 he'd have gone on to have a long, successful career. Even in 2002 he was most unlucky, being picked when he shouldn't have been and not when he should. As it was, the last memory of him we have is of the 7th ball of a 7-ball over (DAMN Asoka Useless de Silva) going for four.

Given that only one of them was consistently very good I'd say not much would have changed.

 

[Goughy]

None...? EDIT: I see the same thought occurred to you...

Fraser didn't play between 1995\96 and 1998, and Gough, Caddick and Fraser certainly never appeared together unless I'm much mistaken...

The nearest I think we ever got was 1998 when we had, I think, Gough-Fraser-Cork-Headley in one or maybe 2 of the SA Tests.

Guess what?

We played as badly as it's possible to play in said 2 games.

Headley was so, so unlucky.

Yeah, Fraser didnt play from Jan 96 - Jan 98.

That 98 SA series didnt feature 4 of the 5 in any one game. Gough-Cork-Fraser in 4 and Headley-Fraser-Cork in 1.

Closest to featuring 4 very good seamers was the 4th Test (that England easily won) that included Gough-Cork-Fraser-Flintoff but obviously Flintoff still had a long way to go to become the player he is now.

So annoying that England had 5 very good seamers during the 90s and never featured 4 of them in the same game.

 

[Richard]

Given that only one of them was consistently very good I'd say not much would have changed.

Neither were consistently very good.

Both were sad underachievers.

 

[Dasa]

Dean Headley

My favourite English bowler ever...maybe even my favourite English cricketer.

 

[Craig]

And would any State sides in Australia take on any young emerging English players? Not a chance in hell.

So I can see his point.

 

[Fiery]

And would any State sides in Australia take on any young emerging English players? Not a chance in hell.

So I can see his point.

That is a great point Craig. The double standard is obvious to see when you put the shoe on the other foot

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That is a great point Craig. The double standard is obvious to see when you put the shoe on the other foot

It's not really a double standard. Australian domestic sides don't have a policy to refuse to accept any English players, rather they are only allowed one international player each, and there's only six teams, so there's limited opportunities. Some English players have played in Australia before, like Botham and Hick, and there's a couple of international guys around at the moment, like Ervine.

England has a pretty different sort of domestic setup which gets a large part of its quality from the involvement of cricketers all over the world, not just Australia. I don't see that banning international players would really help England in the long run.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I'm not the Playboy-reading type.

Haha, surprised nobody else found this post funny.

The girl in the avatar is Elisha Cuthbert, she's a legitimate actress, not in porn. She is however in pretty average movies, for the most part. The clip in question was from The Girl Next Door.

 

[Fiery]

It's not really a double standard. Australian domestic sides don't have a policy to refuse to accept any English players, rather they are only allowed one international player each, and there's only six teams, so there's limited opportunities. Some English players have played in Australia before, like Botham and Hick, and there's a couple of international guys around at the moment, like Ervine.

England has a pretty different sort of domestic setup which gets a large part of its quality from the involvement of cricketers all over the world, not just Australia. I don't see that banning international players would really help England in the long run.

Ervine? Come on, you bring out a fairly ave Zimbabwean player as an example. That gives the case for the prosecution easy material to work with

 

[Goughy]

Ervine? Come on, you bring out a fairly ave Zimbabwean player as an example. That gives the case for the prosecution easy material to work with

And the thoroughly average Blignaut in Tasmania.

 

[Fiery]

And the thoroughly average Blignaut in Tasmania.

Exhibit C anyone?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Ervine? Come on, you bring out a fairly ave Zimbabwean player as an example. That gives the case for the prosecution easy material to work with

What's the case exactly? That Australian teams don't want English players?

I'd imagine the Australian domestic sides would happily accept any good English players if the opportunity was there, like Queensland did with Hick in the 90s. It's worth remembering that the states are competitive with one another, and if Flintoff was to come and play for South Australia and give them a boost they'd love it, whether or not it helped his game.

Most of the English internationals would be busy in the Australian summer though, for obvious reasons, unlike the players from other nations in the English summer. I'm really not sure who else there is to choose from.

 

[Fiery]

What's the case exactly? That Australian teams don't want English players?

I'd imagine the Australian domestic sides would happily accept any good English players if the opportunity was there, like Queensland did with Hick in the 90s. It's worth remembering that the states are competitive with one another, and if Flintoff was to come and play for South Australia and give them a boost they'd love it, whether or not it helped his game.

Most of the English internationals would be busy in the Australian summer though, for obvious reasons, unlike the players from other nations in the English summer. I'm really not sure who else there is to choose from.

It's exactly the same way that NZ would rather not have overseas players playing in their Super 14 or NPC sides. England have got to stop thinking that they're supposed to breast-feed other countries and start look after themselves, which is why I can see where John Embury is coming from

 

[Goughy]

It's exactly the same way that NZ would rather not have overseas players playing in their Super 14 or NPC sides. England have got to stop thinking that they're supposed to breast-feed other countries and start look after themselves, which is why I can see where John Embury is coming from

The mistake in that thinking is that CC is set up for the good of the England side. The Counties run the game at that level and there have been many clashes on the Counties versus England success debate.

The counties obviously want whats best for them. Their responsibility is to their members and to many county success is just as, if not more important, than Englands performance.

 

[Fiery]

The mistake in that thinking is that CC is set up for the good of the England side. The Counties run the game at that level and there have been many clashes on the Counties versus England success debate.

The counties obviously want whats best for them. Their responsibility is to their members and to many county success is just as, if not more important, than Englands performance.

Which is a ****ed policy if you want international success

 

[Goughy]

Which is a ****ed policy if you want international success

But not if you want a credible and competetive domestic league.

Have to remember the Counties were playing cricket before England were.

 

[Fiery]

But not if you want a credible and competetive domestic league.

Have to remember the Counties were playing cricket before England were.

But what's more important in this day and age?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Which is a ****ed policy if you want international success

Same across all our major team sports too, sadly. Football, Union & League are all awash with non-English qualified players. &, hey, we consistently punch below our weight in all three!

Our clubs seem to bash heads with their respective ruling bodies in a way that Australasian clubs/provinces/state sides don't.

 

[Fiery]

Same across all our major team sports too, sadly. Football, Union & League are all awash with non-English qualified players. &, hey, we consistently punch below our weight in all three!

Our clubs seem to bash heads with their respective ruling bodies in a way that Australasian clubs/provinces/state sides don't.

It's because you're too motherly....and $$$$$$$

 

[social]

Ervine and Blignaut moved to Aus on a supposedly permanent basis