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Imagine the hype if Flintoff produced the kind of knock Afridi just did.

Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pup Clarke said:
I thought that was one of Hoggard's qualities.I get the feeling your not really a fan of his and the work he puts in each game for England.As I repeat Hoggard along with Flintoff has been the most consistent bowler and does do a job "game after game".How often do you see Hoggard nowadays go through a test match without taking a wicket?.Very rarely and he usually gets 3,4 or 5 wickets in most tests he plays.And by the way what other England bowler will do a job "game after game" apart from Flintoff.No one so I think you appreciate him and be lucky to have a bowler like Hoggard whi is whole hearted and and tris his guts out whenever the ball is in his hand.You don't get to number 5 in the world without being aconsistent bowler and you will have to perform "game after game" to get recognised as being one of the best fast bowlers in the world bar Asif,Ntini,Flintoff and probably Clark.
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Going through a decent-length Test without taking a wicket for a frontline bowler is exceptionally rare. Even Harmison hardly ever manages that.

It depends what you mean by "a fan". I certainly appreciate his work-ethic, and I certainly hugely admire the improvements he made to his bowling between 2003 and 2004. I actually said above that the team of the last 3 years would've been much poorer without him.

Nonetheless, IMO the fact that there are few better than him at the current time only shows how poor standards have been of late. If you compare Hoggard to the great seamers of the 1990s, the Ambroses, Bishops, Walshes, Wasims, Waqars, Donalds, de Villiers', Pollocks, Frasers, McDermotts, Reiffels, McGraths, Flemings, Gillespies, etc. I don't think he rates too highly. Hoggard is not especially tall so does not have huge margin-for-error in length, sometimes misplaces his lines (though rarely as badly as the Harmisons, Joneses, Mahmoods, Plunketts and the like of this World), and despite having the tricks to take wickets on most pitches doesn't do so often enough to maintain a sub-27 average. Therefore, he's nothing, in my eyes, more than a pretty good bowler, and certainly has never been possessed of the talents of a Gough, Caddick, Cork, White or Flintoff. Or probably even a Tudor or Headley.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pup Clarke said:
By the way,never thought I'd find a fellow Scot on hear.Not many of them like their cricket:laugh:
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He's not a Scot, he's a Shane_Warne\BingLeeElectric - his true whereabouts are unknown, though Australia seems overwhelmingly the likeliest.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pup Clarke said:
What do you mean by talent?.What makes even Alex Tudor more "talented" than Hoggard.
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Height being the main thing - in most other particulars they're the same.

IMO both Tudor and Headley could have been top-class bowlers, but sadly injury stopped them.
 
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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Richard said:
Height being the main thing - in most other particulars they're the same.

Although he doesn't look it Hoggard is in fact 6ft 2in and is only a couple of inches of both of these bowlers.Do you think having 2-3 more inches makes a big difference IYO?.
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Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pup Clarke said:
Although he doesn't look it Hoggard is in fact 6ft 2in and is only a couple of inches of both of these bowlers.Do you think having 2-3 more inches makes a big difference IYO?.
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DF, it's not just about head-to-toe, it's about arm-length. Tudor has huge long arms, and Headley wasn't too different to Hoggard in those terms I don't think - he just made a better start.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
We know how to spot a Shane_Warne\BLE by now... and this account was created just after his God J one was banned.
 
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