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pup11

International Coach
I think watson needs to play in the finals as i think white is really not doing anything to help give the team any balance. If watson and hogg are going to the world cup which i think they are, then they should play in as many games they could before the world cup. What do you guys think tait might play in the finals or not? I think he should play on friday.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
No need for that.:blink:
He does it after every game though. He mentions the worst part of the Australian performance for the game just gone, and then suggests bringing in Hogg, regardless of what the problem was.

If Clarke and White took 5 wickets each, he would have said "The pitch took turn so they should have picked Hogg." If they got hammered, he would have said "The part-time spinners aren't working so they should have picked Hogg." If Australia batted poorly and White got out cheaply, he would have said "White isn't reliable with the bat if Australia lose early wickets so they should have picked Hogg." Or even if Australia just got rolled despite White scoring runs, he would have said "The tail is too long starting at 8, so they should have picked Hogg."
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
I think the calls for Hogg to come in are calling louder due to Australia's lack of wicket taking ability and control in the last 3 games by their fast bowlers.I still don't think they've got their 4 best seamers for the WC.Their appears to be a huge problem with the 5th bowler and this is why Hogg should be in the team IMO for the WC.With Australia's bowling problems recently I think this will be their attack for the opening WC game
Lee
Bracken
McGrath
Watson (If fit and he would go out for White/Johnson)
Hogg
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I think the calls for Hogg to come in are calling louder due to Australia's lack of wicket taking ability and control in the last 3 games by their fast bowlers.I still don't think they've got their 4 best seamers for the WC.Their appears to be a huge problem with the 5th bowler and this is why Hogg should be in the team IMO for the WC.With Australia's bowling problems recently I think this will be their attack for the opening WC game
Lee
Bracken
McGrath
Watson (If fit and he would go out for White/Johnson)
Hogg
It's obvious that the balance would change with Watson batting in the top 7, which would mean Hogg playing. Watson isn't back in the side yet though, so Hogg isn't playing. Complementary players.
 

pup11

International Coach
I think prince you are just getting hyper, what has white done to justify his no.7 spot, and as for hogg bowling at the death i never said that. I was talking about the need for serious improvement in aussie death bowling and tait could have a say in that. As for the way white has been batting at the international level he is also not looking like a million dollars is he?
 

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
I think Tait went a long way towards the World Cup today. I think Ponting will tell him to not even worry about swinging the ball. If he can bowl as fast, as full and as straight as he did today, he'll be a massive weapon. It wasn't just his figures, but the way he bowled. I think it now may fall to Clark to produce something special to dislodge a slightly fading Johnson for the fifth quick spot for the World Cup.
Agree with that.IMO opinion Clark will not go to the WC as that would mean having Bracken,McGrath and Clark,three similar bowlers and Tait offers something completely different and he might force his way into the X1 due to his sheer pace and potential wicket-taking ability.My Australian WC bowlers
Lee
Bracken
McGrath
Johnson
Tait
Hogg
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
pup11 said:
As for the way white has been batting at the international level he is also not looking like a million dollars is he?
Replace him with Voges, Watson or D.Hussey then. Hogg's batting record doesn't thrill me with confidence either. I have faith in White's batting though - give him until series end IMO.

I was talking about the need for serious improvement in aussie death bowling and tait could have a say in that.
Yet you still suggested Hogg should play right afterwards. Not even bothering to give a bogus reason anymore aren't we?
 

pup11

International Coach
Comeon princey give me a break i am no hogg fan, i was just saying in general that hogg needs to play a game because at the moment the australian team attack looks pretty one dimensional. doesn't it? All i was saying that hogg gives some variety and thats it.
 

pup11

International Coach
I said bring hogg back to balance things up that doesn't mean he needs to be used as a death bowler does it?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Comeon princey give me a break i am no hogg fan, i was just saying in general that hogg needs to play a game because at the moment the australian team attack looks pretty one dimensional. doesn't it? All i was saying that hogg gives some variety and thats it.
Hogg will play when either Watson returns, or Michael Hussey starts bowling his seam-ups at 140km/h. Clearly the latter isn't going to happen, so Hogg is sweating on Watson's return.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I said bring hogg back to balance things up that doesn't mean he needs to be used as a death bowler does it?
The bowling at the death has been poor and bracken and McGrath who did the job at the death to perfection are also struggling at the death now. Aussies have to bring hogg to balance things up.

You offered the problem: Death bowling.
You offered the solution: Brad Hogg.

Doesn't add up to me.
 

pup11

International Coach
I just told you hogg inclusion was all about balance of the side it had nothing to do with death bowling problems. You have just took it in the wrong way.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I just told you hogg inclusion was all about balance of the side it had nothing to do with death bowling problems. You have just took it in the wrong way.
So you just randomly rattled off ideas one after the other without elaborating or explaining them then. Why doesn't that surprise me?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'm presuming he is saying Hogg in for White.
Which would be completely ridiculous anyway, not to mention the fact that I think he was talking about the World Cup in which Watson will be playing in anyway...

Tait won't be in the side. He'll be very lucky to make the squad.
 

pup11

International Coach
Yeah lee really losses control at the death overs, he should be bowled out by the 40 over. Clark is also useless at the death or for that matter even as the 2nd change bowler(he needs tailor made conditions for seamers to be effective).
 

pup11

International Coach
Yeah you are right prince hogg shouldn't go the world cup since he doesn't have any matches under his belt, except one at adeliade. That way it would be pretty unfair on him to go into a tournament like the world cup and start bowling well, as the more a spinner bowls the better he gets.
 

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