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Is Asif the best young pacer now?

Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
FRAZ said:
For first bolded sentence I have a question for you ,"What if Ntini finishes up with over 550 wickets ?
And from second bold I meant that even Shoaib Akhtar couldn't do much against India on those pitches ,so be fair with the excellent bowlers who might have the talent for becoming the so called GREAT bowlers !!!
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A half-fit Shoaib couldn't, at least.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
Thats exactly my point though. No one really expected much to begin with when it came to Flintoff, Hoggard, Ntini or Nel though they've improved and become good bowlers only at their peaks. Only Bond and maybe Simon Jones were ever expected to amount into something great at any point in time over the last few years although through no fault of their own, they've failed to achieve anything like that. The latter is still only 28 though and still ca resurrect his career to some extent. Cant really say the same about the current lot- Asif, Taylor, Steyn and a few others are at a very young age showing signs of dominating international cricket.
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I'm less sure about Steyn - I can certainly see him being someone who blows repeatedly hot and cold. Yes, he's devestating when he gets it right but at his height it's easy for him to not do, and when he doesn't he's very, very hittable.

And I'll wait until Taylor's stayed fit for a year or two before getting too excited by him, too. As I did with Jermaine Lawson.
 
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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
If you read into Steyn's recent form then you'll probably find that he's becoming much more consistent.His line's and length's are much better and although he still bowls a 4 ball if he keeps fit he will be a huge player for SA and in the top 5 bowlers in a couple of years.
 
PhoenixFire

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Pup Clarke said:
If you read into Steyn's recent form then you'll probably find that he's becoming much more consistent.His line's and length's are much better and although he still bowls a 4 ball if he keeps fit he will be a huge player for SA and in the top 5 bowlers in a couple of years.
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He will be dropped if he bowls a 4 ball every over in test cricket, or should be.
 
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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
A bit harsh to be honest.Seems strange the likes of Mahmood,Tremlett and Anderson bowl 4 bowls all the time and they don't get dropped
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Has it occurred to you that they might were they amongst the likes of Pollock, Ntini, Terbrugge, Nel, Langeveldt, Hayward, (Morkel?), etc.?
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pup Clarke said:
If you read into Steyn's recent form then you'll probably find that he's becoming much more consistent.His line's and length's are much better and although he still bowls a 4 ball if he keeps fit he will be a huge player for SA and in the top 5 bowlers in a couple of years.
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It depends on what you mean when you say "his lines and lengths are much better".

Yes, he does have more spells when he bowls with better accuracy than in, say, 2004\05, but he still has plenty enough where he's all over the shop.

And I just can't foresee that changing, not for someone so lacking in height.

I may be wrong, but I'll worry about that if it happens.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Very few bowlers of short stature have achieved top-notch status. Yes, a few, such as Marshall and Trueman, have, but height is unutterably crucial as it allows a much bigger margin-for-error in length than those short of stature.

Height was one of two main reasons - along with injury-prone-ness - that Gough never became anything more than a pretty good Test bowler.

I just can't see Steyn becoming so accurate as Trueman and Marshall were for his small margin-for-error to not cost him.
 
Richard

Richard

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Seriously - go back the last 35 years or so and see how many bowlers who had consistent success (and here's an even more interesting one: didn't leave the "he could've done more" impression) who were what could accurately be called "short".

They're not especially common.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Darren Gough
Jonathan Lewis
Mark Ealham
Robin Martin-Jenkins
Dimitri Mascarenhas
Neil Killeen

All have shown they patently can, and have done better, they just don't look like wicket-takers, unlike the Tremletts, Broads, Mahmoods, Plunketts, etc. who look like wicket-takers to the unwary eye but don't take wickets.
 
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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Richard said:
Darren Gough
Jonathan Lewis
Mark Ealham
Robin Martin-Jenkins
Dimitri Mascarenhas
Neil Killeen

unlike the Tremletts, Broads, Mahmoods, Plunketts, etc. who look like wicket-takers to the unwary eye but don't take wickets.
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What's Broad done wrong to be called someone who doesn't take wickets?.He'll be a fine bowler for England in the future and he is quite accurate rather than Mahmood,Tremlett and Plunkett who are wayward
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
NO, HE'S NOT ACCURATE!!!!!!!!!!! :wallbash: He just hasn't played as many games as Plunkett etc. yet. He's every bit as likely to be the next Plunkett as he is to become a decent bowler!

Broad in one-day cricket has shown no wicket-taking prowess yet and his First-Class record is hardly top notch at the current time, either.

Until it improves, it's wholly silly to go around championing him. Especially when we've got the likes of Tom Smith showing real promise at the same time!
 
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Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Why are trying to put someone down who looks like a genuinely good prospect in the same bracket as Mahmood or Tremlett.Oh yeah and Broad had the lowest economy in Twenty20 last season which in a game full of boundaries must mean he is a clever one day bowler with good varation.You seem very harsh on him and I'd want him to be in Australia as he seems like a genuinly good prospect.He bowled well in the series against pakistan IMO and has been getting rave reviews meaning that he probably won't turn out like a Plunkett or Mahmood.And what reason do you have to say he's not accurate.Any evidence of that so you don't just put statements down and not back them up.
 
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