Archived [10/08/07] Battrick

[Adamc]

How/why? Did you persuade Jon_Boy to run?

Nah, I meant that beating England in the WC semi might have something to do with the voters having their knives out.

Jon_Boy will win, eggy's an idiot.

 

[Scaly piscine]

eggy, me and others were arguing how the cup should be drawn. The thing that makes the FA Cup what it is is the next level of teams are being introduced every few rounds. This means most of the games are competitive and giving the small clubs that have battled their way through the early rounds the feeling that they've earned their chance to get a big team and it also gives them an added chance if they get a struggling high divison side because of the large gulf in morale. So eggy puts the FA Cup in his list of 'pro' points when he's arguing for a completely random draw...

Err so yea eggy is indeed an idiot as adam says.

Woohoo someone bid on Terry...

 

[Mahindinho]

Nah, I meant that beating England in the WC semi might have something to do with the voters having their knives out.

I forgot about that

Jon_Boy will win, eggy's an idiot.

True. The thing is, eggy's a lower league eejit who can talk the talk and seems pretty active on the conferences. Thanks to the pyramid system, he'll win a fair few votes from lower leaguers who'll see him as a sort of working class hero.

 

[Mahindinho]

eggy, me and others were arguing how the cup should be drawn. The thing that makes the FA Cup what it is is the next level of teams are being introduced every few rounds.

You know, I've never really thought of that in respect to the BT cup draw.

Having a two-stage contest, where the first three or four rounds are only contested between teams in Div IV or below...the higher division teams can then come in later.

The first three or four cup slots of the season could be used for a "champions' cup" between the cup winners in Eng, Aus, SL, WI, SA, Ind, Pak and NZ.

The thing is, what's in it for the Div III/II/I teams?

 

[Scaly piscine]

You know, I've never really thought of that in respect to the BT cup draw.

Having a two-stage contest, where the first three or four rounds are only contested between teams in Div IV or below...the higher division teams can then come in later.

The first three or four cup slots of the season could be used for a "champions' cup" between the cup winners in Eng, Aus, SL, WI, SA, Ind, Pak and NZ.

The thing is, what's in it for the Div III/II/I teams?

Err they get to the later rounds or win and get more home games with proper crowds. The first two or three rounds are a farce at the moment, all a random cup would do is make it a bit more of a random farce. The FA Cup style just basically skips the first two rounds of pointless woeful/feeble team thrashing for the top teams.

You don't mind the mediocre/competent teams beating the woeful/feeble teams because then at least the games are respectable and there's some sort of competition.

 

[Dead Badger]

While I was almost certainly going for Jon_Boy anyway, the realisation that eggy relegated deliberately from IV completely rules him out. For me, anyway.

While absolutely not intending to vote for him, and while you and I sort of did this debate already, I don't think I'd penalise someone for taking this route. In fact for an NT manager I'd almost like to see the sort of end-result type attitude it exhibits. There undoubtedly is a motive in BT for demoting, and while people might piss and moan about how the Aussies threw a match in the WC, at the end of the day they won the tourney, arguably because of the choice they made.

I don't mind doing something for personal pride even if it's to my own team's detriment, because it's just me. When you're managing something for a whole bunch of people, some of whom have effectively compromised their own teams for the NT, I expect a certain ruthlessness. I thought Jon_Boy's answer to that question was decent. Nothing underhand, but manipulating results to your own benefit is fair game. Ever heard the story of the Caribbean cup competition where one team ended up trying to defend both goals against the other? It's hilarious (read it here), but it illustrates a point: it's up to the organisers to ensure that there aren't perverse incentives in competitions. The same goes for auto-demoting as for throwing matches, IMO.

 

[Mahindinho]

Err they get to the later rounds or win and get more home games with proper crowds.

Oh yeah. Oops.

There are 168 teams in Div III or above, and 580 in IV or above. So...

[B]Rd Total  <III  III+[/B]
13     2
12     4
11     8
10    16
 9    32
 8    64
 7   128
 6   256
 5   512   344   168
 4   688   688     0
 3  1376  1376     0
 2  2752  2752     0
 1  5504  5504     0

That's the number of teams in each cup round, with the big boys coming in at round 5.

Looks about right for England and Australia, and could be easily modified for the smaller BT nations.

 

[Dead Badger]

Oh and just as an aside, while eggy may or may not be an idiot, he clearly seems to be running as a bit of a joke candidate, something which I myself did back in my student politics days (although, embarrassingly, I won), so it seems a bit harsh to slag him off for not being entirely serious.

 

[Mahindinho]

While absolutely not intending to vote for him, and while you and I sort of did this debate already, I don't think I'd penalise someone for taking this route. In fact for an NT manager I'd almost like to see the sort of end-result type attitude it exhibits. There undoubtedly is a motive in BT for demoting, and while people might piss and moan about how the Aussies threw a match in the WC, at the end of the day they won the tourney, arguably because of the choice they made.

I thought of that little discussion as soon as I posted, as it happens.

You've definitely got a point - personal pride should go right out of the window. I still think it's a bit weasely (weaselly?) to duck out of IV though.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Oh yeah. Oops.

There are 168 teams in Div III or above, and 580 in IV or above. So...

[B]Rd Total  <III  III+[/B]
13     2
12     4
11     8
10    16
 9    32
 8    64
 7   128
 6   256
 5   512   344   168
 4   688   688     0
 3  1376  1376     0
 2  2752  2752     0
 1  5504  5504     0

That's the number of teams in each cup round, with the big boys coming in at round 5.

Looks about right for England and Australia, and could be easily modified for the smaller BT nations.

Yep looks right.

 

[Dead Badger]

You've definitely got a point - personal pride should go right out of the window. I still think it's a bit weasely (weaselly?) to duck out of IV though.

Yeah; at higher levels, if you're clearly outclassed, I don't see the problem. Doing it in IV/V, it smacks of kicking the s*** out of newbies a bit.

(double "l" in weaselly, I think )

Regardless, Jon_boy is the clear winner as far as I can see. I'm finding binny's campaign thread slightly hilarious. AidanSwain is being a complete tit, but does have something of a point. I love the bit where binny points to his newbies' guides as evidence that he should run the national team. Comedy genius.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I might run for NT later on in the year or whenever the elections are, think I'll have to be to putting all these people and their stupid questions in their places - none of this pansy diplomatic rubbish.

 

[Mahindinho]

I might run for NT later on in the year or whenever the elections are, think I'll have to be to putting all these people and their stupid questions in their places - none of this pansy diplomatic rubbish.

I'll look forward to that one

 

[marc71178]

Got my quick bowler I've been looking for - thinking he's quite a good deal:

Age:  	20 Years Old
Battrick Rating:	6,711 (+121)
Wages:	£1,163 p/w
Stamina: 	feeble 		Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: 	abysmal 	Concentration: 	feeble
Bowling: 	proficient 	Consistency: 	feeble
Fielding: 	mediocre

£205930 - is he near the top in any of the categories? May give him a couple of nets if so.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Still need a friendly - anyone?

 

[Dead Badger]

Still need a friendly - anyone?

I will if no-one else will. Challenge sent...

 

[Scaly piscine]

Got my quick bowler I've been looking for - thinking he's quite a good deal:

Age:  	20 Years Old
Battrick Rating:	6,711 (+121)
Wages:	£1,163 p/w
Stamina: 	feeble 		Wicket Keeping: worthless
Batting: 	abysmal 	Concentration: 	feeble
Bowling: 	proficient 	Consistency: 	feeble
Fielding: 	mediocre

£205930 - is he near the top in any of the categories? May give him a couple of nets if so.

Well the bowling will be very low, the other stuff could be anywhere.

 

[PY]

Meh, you'll have to answer plenty of stupid questions if you get the gig ('my mediocre batsman is averaging 150 in my league which contains seven bots, why isn't he in the NT?!'). It's alright though, you don't have to do much with the NT job really, unlike the U19 job.

One thing I wouldn't mind knowing is what the hell is the 'bharattrick' forum? I've tried searching for it on Google and got nothing...

And has anyone mentioned the vote counter isn't working?

Still only me, I'm expecting some big guns to come flying in during the next couple of days.

 

[marc71178]

Well the bowling will be very low, the other stuff could be anywhere.

So not worth it then really?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Probably not given your other trainees.