Michael Bevan Retires - and Tribute Thread.

[Ikki]

In the mid-late 1990's, as an Australian supporter, you felt so safe while ever Tugga Waugh was still batting in Test matches, and likewise felt safe while ever Bevo was at the crease in an ODI. I'd equate it to the safety a lost child feels when he sees his Mum's face in the Supermarket. .

LOL, great post. Best finisher ever.

 

[Richard]

Forgetting the first chance average here? Given he was "out" in both of the last two games...

I hadn't heard about the latter because I haven't read the report yet.

And unfortunately, I'm not talking first-chance averages here.

 

[Richard]

Yep. I would say that's part of what precipitated Bevan's exclusion from the national team (apart from a slight loss in form and his tendency to spend two or three couple of overs hitting straight to fieldsman before getting his bearings). He was a master of a run-a-ball cricket, but he didn't really have the sheer hitting ability that's become more integral with bigger and bigger totals becoming more commonplace. He would still have been useful in a game like yesterday's, but obviously we've been lucky and discovered Hussey since, who can do both.

Jesse, how much ING Cup have you watched?

Bevan was more than capable of coming in at three in the first 15 with the field up and smashing it all over everywhere.

Unfortunately, it was a side of him we never had the chance to see at international level because he didn't bat high enough in the order.

 

[Richard]

Surprise, surprise...

(Not having a go at you personally, just I've seen more single-smiley posts - featuring that smiley - since my comeback than I saw in my entire time beforehand)

 

[vic_orthdox]

Surprise, surprise...

(Not having a go at you personally, just I've seen more single-smiley posts - featuring that smiley - since my comeback than I saw in my entire time beforehand)

Haha, feel free. Everyone else has a go at him personally. Main culprit behind it all.

 

[archie mac]

Haha, feel free. Everyone else has a go at him personally. Main culprit behind it all.

Voltman?

 

[Slow Love™]

Jesse, how much ING Cup have you watched?

Bevan was more than capable of coming in at three in the first 15 with the field up and smashing it all over everywhere.

Unfortunately, it was a side of him we never had the chance to see at international level because he didn't bat high enough in the order.

But coming in down the order doesn't preclude him from playing in that fashion (and I had the impression he made a conscious decision to hit more freely after he moved to Tasmania). The point I was making was that he simply didn't do what players like Symonds, Clarke, White or Hussey do down the order at international level - hitting and clearing the boundary enough in the late overs to ramp up the scoring rate to the levels they can achieve. He had a tendency when he wasn't guiding us out of a hole to bottle us up, in fact. Now obviously Symonds and Clarke aren't similar players, but IMO Hussey does both jobs pretty well, according to circumstances.

 

[andyc]

Haha, feel free. Everyone else has a go at him personally. Main culprit behind it all.

But yeah Richard, feel free, it's pretty much the main reason I browse CW.

 

[Smudge]

Voltman?

I pale in comparison to the saturation coverage andyc gives the emoticon.

 

[andyc]

I pale in comparison to the saturation coverage andyc gives the emoticon.

If emotions actually showed up, that'd go in my sig.

 

[Richard]

But yeah Richard, feel free, it's pretty much the main reason I browse CW.

You have been far too kind in your words to me for me to be so callous in response.

 

[Richard]

But coming in down the order doesn't preclude him from playing in that fashion (and I had the impression he made a conscious decision to hit more freely after he moved to Tasmania). The point I was making was that he simply didn't do what players like Symonds, Clarke, White or Hussey do down the order at international level - hitting and clearing the boundary enough in the late overs to ramp up the scoring rate to the levels they can achieve. He had a tendency when he wasn't guiding us out of a hole to bottle us up, in fact. Now obviously Symonds and Clarke aren't similar players, but IMO Hussey does both jobs pretty well, according to circumstances.

And I do have to wonder how long he will be able to do both jobs so well as he has so far...

Coming in down the order doesn't preclude playing big shots? What planet are you on? In Bevan's case it clearly did preclude him, because as I said he played totally differently in ODIs when he batted in the middle-order to how he played in domestic ODers when he batted at three and usually came in with the field up.

 

[Richard]

Voltman?

I certainly think of him as far more the guilty party.

 

[marc71178]

People please - this thread is to discuss Bevan.

Discussion of smilies clearly belongs in Cricket Humour.

 

[Smudge]

People please - this thread is to discuss Bevan.

Discussion of smilies clearly belongs in Cricket Humour.

You're right. This is probably and not about the smilie, the smilie, or even the one.


If we continue with this subject in this thread, it could all in our .


I'd understand if a moderator came into this thread and us back onto the original topic.


I certainly don't want a to be discussed.

 

[Slow Love™]

And I do have to wonder how long he will be able to do both jobs so well as he has so far...

Coming in down the order doesn't preclude playing big shots? What planet are you on? In Bevan's case it clearly did preclude him, because as I said he played totally differently in ODIs when he batted in the middle-order to how he played in domestic ODers when he batted at three and usually came in with the field up.

For chrissakes, Richard, you can belligerently miss the point at times (and then drive home the fact that you missed the point, again and again).

I said, in the context of ODIs "coming in down the order doesn't preclude playing big shots". To back up that comment, I brought up players who come in down the order and (obviously) play big shots. Including Hussey. Bevan failed to do this, which is what I pointed out. Is it really that hard to understand? I am not comparing Bevan in ODIs down the order to Bevan in domestics up the order (it's really besides the point) - I am comparing Bevan to other players in that position in ODIs. When you say "In Bevan's case it clearly did preclude him", that is a shortcoming he had in comparison to Hussey. Perhaps it would be clearer to you if I said "shouldn't preclude" rather than "doesn't preclude", but I thought the point I was making wasn't that hard to grasp.

 

[andyc]

You're right. This is probably and not about the smilie, the smilie, or even the one.


If we continue with this subject in this thread, it could all in our .


I'd understand if a moderator came into this thread and us back onto the original topic.


I certainly don't want a to be discussed.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

And I do have to wonder how long he will be able to do both jobs so well as he has so far...

Coming in down the order doesn't preclude playing big shots? What planet are you on? In Bevan's case it clearly did preclude him, because as I said he played totally differently in ODIs when he batted in the middle-order to how he played in domestic ODers when he batted at three and usually came in with the field up.

The point is that being down the order doesn't mean you can't play big shots. Hussey is one of the most aggressive late over batsmen in the world and has a terrific scoring rate and still gets many not outs. One of the main criticisms of Bevan when he played (and I say this as someone who rates him in the top 2 ODI batsmen of all time) was that he was sometimes unwilling to play big shots when the opportunity was there. Presumably with the desire to defend his own wicket, even when it wouldn't have made any difference to the team if he'd got out, like in the last couple of overs. You certainly can't say that about Hussey.

 

[Richard]

People please - this thread is to discuss Bevan.

Discussion of smilies clearly belongs in Cricket Humour.

Err, no, it clearly belongs in Off Topic.

 

[Richard]

I certainly don't want a to be discussed.

Really? Coulda fooled the rest of us.