***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series

[Fiery]

Wtf??? Who are you?

I thought the heading gave it away

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I don't see how Haddin's more of a natural opener than Watson.

Howard, please explain to me how he is.

Yeah, he's not. The fact is that Watson needs to bat in the top 4 or 5. Assuming he's in the team, the other middle order batsmen would all be better suited to batting around 6 or 7 than he would be. If Watson comes in for White, Hussey will probably move back down to 7 with Watson going up to the middle order, and if he comes in for Hayden he will open. I think 4 is the ideal spot in the long term, but certainly it's better that Watson get a reasonable run opening the innings than sticking him back at 7 where he was more or less hopeless.

Haddin won't get picked as a specialist bat while he's still keeping for NSW though, so it's largely a moot point.

Gilchrist
Jaques/Hayden/Whoever
Ponting
Watson
Symonds
Clarke
Hussey
Lee
Johnson/Hogg/Clark
Bracken
McGrath

 

[Smudge]

Wtf??? Who are you?

Sigh...

I give up.

 

[pup11]

Watson Gives Us Balance!

Yes watson might not be the best opener going today but he lends balance to the side and gives us a chance to select an extra spinner or pacer so its a risk worth taking.He bats at no.4 for bulls so he can do it for ozi's too, his game is not suited at no.7 coz he takes some time before he gets going(he is techniqally like kallis). Tendulkar,jaysuriya were also not natural openers but look at them today.So watto needs a chance.

 

[Dick Rockett]

I thought the heading gave it away

Sigh...

I give up.

Umm, not to burst your bubble or anything, but some of us aren't on here 24 hours a day, so if there's some sort of in-joke going on, there's no need to be precious. That post bearing Voltman's name clearly wasn't his usual writing style so pardon me for being curious.

As for the reference to Bob Holland a quick search reveals he's an ex-spinner, so what? Still doesn't explain the un-Voltman like post.

 

[Will Scarlet]

I believe that a settled team and batting order in which each player clearly knows his role will solve our woes. I also believe that making fringe players fight and work hard for their Black Cap will benefit the team better in the long run than giving any and all Johnny-come-lately's a run just to see if they might be good.

While I do believe that consistency of selection is important we have to select the correct people in the positions in the first place. Ignoring the opening issue by forcing Fleming in there, when he is in such poor form, is neither a long-term or sensible solution. And strengthening the middle to lower order to cover for blatant deficiencies in the top order is bloody ridiculous! All the other countries have specialists for a reason: they perform best in their given positions in the team.

 

[Jono]

Umm, not to burst your bubble or anything, but some of us aren't on here 24 hours a day, so if there's some sort of in-joke going on, there's no need to be precious. That post bearing Voltman's name clearly wasn't his usual writing style so pardon me for being curious.

As for the reference to Bob Holland a quick search reveals he's an ex-spinner, so what? Still doesn't explain the un-Voltman like post.

He was making a parody of pup11's posts.

 

[Smudge]

Umm, not to burst your bubble or anything, but some of us aren't on here 24 hours a day, so if there's some sort of in-joke going on, there's no need to be precious. That post bearing Voltman's name clearly wasn't his usual writing style so pardon me for being curious.

As for the reference to Bob Holland a quick search reveals he's an ex-spinner, so what? Still doesn't explain the un-Voltman like post.

Check the post immediately above this one of yours I've just quoted. It will give you a hint about who I might be extracting the urine from.

And no need to get overly precious about me getting precious.


Typical Wellingtonian...

 

[Dick Rockett]

And strengthening the middle to lower order to cover for blatant deficiencies in the top order is bloody ridiculous!

Yeah, that's more or less what I mean.

What I don't get is that we have a situation where our top order is an amalgam of batsmen who are more or less to a man playing out of their accustomed roles, yet we get mad when they fail.

Even stranger is that when every once in a while a specialist does get chosen, and they fail too, we still get mad. So the move wasn't a success, but why get pissed off at a proactive step? AFAIC, selecting a mediocre opener, for example, is preferable to putting a well performed middle order player up there and hoping he doesn't tank. Hamish Marshall was doing just fine at 5 or 6, but since he's been floated to whatever spot is vacant, he's gone down the toilet.

EDIT: sorry, I meant 3 or 4 for Marshall.

 

[Dick Rockett]

Check the post immediately above this one of yours I've just quoted. It will give you a hint about who I might be extracting the urine from.

And no need to get overly precious about me getting precious.


Typical Wellingtonian...

Ooooooh, right. Not immediately obvious for two reasons: firstly there were three posts between yours and his. Secondly, I don't bother reading more than a few words of pup's posts because.... well, the reason is obvious. I did read yours though, as they are usually quality.

And I wish to stress the usually, you inbred southerner

 

[Smudge]

And I wish to stress the usually, you inbred southerner

Born in Auckland, actually.














Not sure which is worse...

 

[Dick Rockett]

Born in Auckland, actually

You should have kept that to yourself

 

[Johnners]

Yeah, he's not. The fact is that Watson needs to bat in the top 4 or 5. Assuming he's in the team, the other middle order batsmen would all be better suited to batting around 6 or 7 than he would be. If Watson comes in for White, Hussey will probably move back down to 7 with Watson going up to the middle order, and if he comes in for Hayden he will open. I think 4 is the ideal spot in the long term, but certainly it's better that Watson get a reasonable run opening the innings than sticking him back at 7 where he was more or less hopeless.

Haddin won't get picked as a specialist bat while he's still keeping for NSW though, so it's largely a moot point.

Gilchrist
Jaques/Hayden/Whoever
Ponting
Watson
Symonds
Clarke
Hussey
Lee
Johnson/Hogg/Clark
Bracken
McGrath

Yep, ideally Watson should be at 4. It's where he's going to most useful as a batsmen, and without the extra responsibility of opening, it should allow his bowling to prosper in the long-term.

As much as i beleive that Clarke should be up the order as well, for the balance of the team, he's going to do better at 6 than Watson is, so it's only logical that he slots down to 6. The other option i thought of was having Clarke at 4, Watson 5 & Symonds 6, but i'd be worried as to how that would affect Symonds seeing as he's really made 5 his position, and had been a little to Hit & miss earlier on in his career at 6 & 7.

 

[_Ed_]

nah NZ will get up... Fleming, Taylor & Oram to be the Stars

Would need a bit of a turnaround from his last few innings.

 

[Sir Redman]

Atleast the rugby season is starting soon

I think that's the most depressing post I've read in this entire thread.

 

[MoxPearl]

ahaha

Well the games starting in 15 odd minutes

And the telstraclear guy is putting in a new decoder here at the mo.. he better hurry D:!!

 

[Johnners]

Would need a bit of a turnaround from his last few innings.

yeah he would... and tbh i hope he does... Fleming's a champ, favourite NZ player just not when he's playing aust

 

[Matt52]

If Oram is playing and McMillan is staying in the finishers role then Jake might be batting at 5 today. A promotion for him. Might work OK, but his average is pretty low.

It might help him just focus on building an innings and batting like he does in domestic cricket rather than just trying to smash it.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Jesus, shutup Tony.

 

[pasag]

hey guys how many of u think the aussie selectors shud bring back holland to replace warnie he was an underrrrated bowler when he first played for australia and there arent many young spinners coming through he could provide the variation aussie need what do you guys think?

Hahaha