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***Official*** Pakistan in South Africa
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
You realise I was being sarcastic in my post right?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Being sarcastic is totally unsafe on these forums. At least 50% of the people do not comprehend it.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Good god, are you SS or something? To a vast majority of people in Pakistan, they would rather lose this Test series 3-0 and win the World Cup than the other way around. Hell, I'd bet most people think the upcoming one-day series against SA is more important than the current Test series, and I'd tend to agree with them. No points for guessing how the Pakistan selectors feel about this matter either.
Dropping Akmal in the middle of the series will probably accomplish next to nothing, and could hurt our chances of winning the last Test as well. In addition, dropping him will definitely hurt his confidence. I'd say its probably best to wait till after the World Cup, and if Akmal's performance doesn't improve there'd be no reason not to bring in someone else before the next Test series. In any case, I think Akmal can provide enough with the bat that his place for the World Cup is assured. In that form, his struggles with the gloves might not be so costly.
shortpitched713
International Captain
Yes, yes he is.
Fusion
Global Moderator
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
I very much doubt that. You ask Inzy whether he'd prefer an away test series victory against South Africa or a ODI series victory in a series which will be forgotten in 5 days after the series is completed, he'd definitely take the test series win. So would Woolmer, and so would the selectors.
You're way off the mark. Fair enough putting a WC win above a test series (though even that's somewhat debateable, and if true not by much), but don't wash away this test series as if its nothing. Eng are the only non-Aussie team to beat SA in SA since re-admission. That means a lot.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
You're kidding.....right? Who the hell remembers an ODI series outside the WC for more than 30 seconds after it ends?
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
Umm, maybe not you and not many other educated cricket fans either, but yes millions of other less-knowledgeable/street fans do.
You're kidding.....right? Who the hell remembers an ODI series outside the WC for more than 30 seconds after it ends?
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
The World Cup really has nothing to do with the test series. If Akmal is so mentally fragile that dropping him would hurt his confidence beyond repair, he shouldn't be in either side regardless.
Picking your test team based on the repercussions it may or may not have on the one day side - World Cup or not - is completely ridiculous.
I have no clue how good this backup keeper is, but if he'd do a better job than Akmal then he should be playing. The same goes for the World Cup that you hold so dear, for that matter.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Really? You're telling me that people remember non-WC matches years afterward? How many ODI series do you remember from the nineties? Cause I remember a LOT of test series.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
No they don't, they have very little importance in the whole scheme of things.
Does it matter now that India beat Pakistan 4-1 earlier this year? It means absolutely crap all now, and I bet you don't remember most of the matches. However it means a lot that they lost that test series.
Mind you, I'm hardly in SS's camp with his stupidity that ODIs are crap and useless, I'm just rebutting against a silly statement that a ODI series is more important than a possible historic test series.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
So you pick the test team based on what a bunch of fly-by-night casual cricket "fans" find more important then?
What has the game come to? This is a joke.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I'm not sure if they are useless, but they certainly are crap. But of course that is a subjective opinion on my enjoyment of the game.
With that said, ODI series are forgotten before the day is over. India beat England 6-1 earlier this year. No one cares about that now. But I bet more people remember the Mumbai collapse and the 1-1 Test series.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't remember a lot of things from the nineties btw, I was under 9-10.
Anyways, the majority of these "less-knowledgeable fans" I am talking about probably don't remember a lot of the Test series either along with ODIs.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So then why would you select based on what they want since they won't care or remember anyway?
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Then who cares what they think?
What's more important is what has a bigger bearing on the team and cricket history.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
No I never considered an ODI series to be more important than a Test series, never. And I am hardly justifying what shortpitched said, all I am saying is there are lots and lots of people out there that care about ODIs. And yes I do remember ODI matches and series in the past few years, along with Tests. And I am sure a lot of other people do too.
But this doesn't mean a historic Test series outside of the subcontinent, or any Test series for that matter of fact is more important than an ODI series.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
My initial problem was with this statement by SS...
"You're kidding.....right? Who the hell remembers an ODI series outside the WC for more than 30 seconds after it ends?"
Yes ODIs might not be as important as Tests, but people do remember them and certainly do give a damn how there team is doing in this format as well.
"You're kidding.....right? Who the hell remembers an ODI series outside the WC for more than 30 seconds after it ends?"
Yes ODIs might not be as important as Tests, but people do remember them and certainly do give a damn how there team is doing in this format as well.