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Fiery

Fiery

Banned
Complicated said:
What ever happened to Jamie Ryder? I remember lots of people were talking him up as a big future prospect.
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He's still a huge prosper. Has more natural talent than Taylor. One of those guys like Greg Ritchie who has all the time in the world to play the ball but is out of favour with the selectors due to his love of steak and cheese pies and Playstation.
 
Matt52

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
Complicated said:
What ever happened to Jamie Ryder? I remember lots of people were talking him up as a big future prospect.
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His name is Jesse Ryder. he is still there, averaging near fifty in 4 day cricket., sitting down watching guys that he is better than getting carved up. Bracewell just wont pick him. He is the same age as Taylor and has played domestic cricket for the same amount of time. btu he has had some discipline or attitude problems.

He is a lefty and an opening bat, which we definitely need right now and is just as talented , if not more so than taylor.

The way I see it is unless he is a mass murderer he should be in the side, I and if he is a mass murderer then make him share a hotel room with Andre Adams and put him in the side anyway. He turned up to that A tournament unfit and overweight. (Think David Boon but a bit taller) and bracewell wouldnt pick him because of that even though he smashed Aus A all around the park and was NZ a's best batsman.
 
M

meatspx

U19 Cricketer
Fiery said:
He's still a huge prosper. Has more natural talent than Taylor. One of those guys like Greg Ritchie who has all the time in the world to play the ball but is out of favour with the selectors due to his love of steak and cheese pies and Playstation.
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He's not even in the WC 30 for NZ :(

He can eat all the pies he wants + McMillan's stash as far as I'm concerned aslong as he hits the ball instead of playing it with his pad!

NZ need some fresh attacking batsman with natural talent, and he's the guy.
 
Fiery

Fiery

Banned
Hey, I agree with both you guys totally. Get him into the side, give him a personal diet-witch and a Nazi-pizza-snatching-bodyguard before the World Cup and he could be the greatest thing since Hadlee. It wont happen though...Bracewell's way too pig-headed
 
armchairumpire

armchairumpire

U19 Cricketer
Unfortunately the only thing scientists can clone at the moment are sheep. Considering NZ are OK on the sheep front I'm at a loss about what to do to keep Mr Bond in good condition so that he can do what he does so well - taking wickets. I suggest that we wrap him very carefully in cotton wool and only let him out on match days.

NZ cricket is such a mess at the moment. Not sure where to start. Experiment should be over re McCullum. The thing that gave the Blackcaps such a competative edge was their ability to fire in the middle and lower order, especially when the top order failed - which happens regularly. Now when McCullum fails at the top, the rest of the top also fails as usual and there is no lower order kick off from McCullum.

Vettori is not taking wickets, and the experiment at No 5 has ensured that he is so confused that he can't even bat properly at No 7. Put him back to No 8. He is an effective pusher of the ball - no more than that.

Fleming talks big but does not very much. His body language at media conferences is so bad - I feel really sorry for him trying to defend yet another Blackcaps performance.

Isn't there anyone better than Macca? Sure he was good in his day. He does look double his size. Who said that he had diabetes?

There are are 3 positive notes - the recent performances of Patel, Gillespie and Taylor bring some comfort to the few Blackcap followers left in the world.

Let's keep our collective fingers crossed re Shane Bond. He is such an exciting player and seems like a genuinely nice guy as well.
 
Goughy

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Out of interest.

It seems NZ are in crisis as are England, India and Pakistan with SA having serious issues.

To play devils advocate, maybe it is all due to how good Australia are and how much better they are than the rest rather than internal issues elsewhere.

If there was no Australia, or if they were weak, we would have a number of countries competing for 1st place in both Tests and ODIs.

If that was the case then I doubt we would all be stressing so much.

I think that Aus are so far ahead and noone can compete, that if any team loses to another then they worry. This could be because they are now not just light years behind Australia but behind others that are also way behind Australia. That becomes a sobering and scary thought.

Its 1 thing to lose to the best but when you lose to others then that is an issue. With Aus being so good every loss to anyone else becomes a cause for panic or refletion.

Im not saying its correct, but its a possibility.

Blame Australia :)
 
armchairumpire

armchairumpire

U19 Cricketer
Goughy said:
Out of interest.

It seems NZ are in crisis as are England, India and Pakistan with SA having serious issues.

To play devils advocate, maybe it is all due to how good Australia are and how much better they are than the rest rather than internal issues elsewhere.

If there was no Australia, or if they were weak, we would have a number of countries competing for 1st place in both Tests and ODIs.

If that was the case then I doubt we would all be stressing so much.

I think that Aus are so far ahead and noone can compete, that if any team loses to another then they worry. This could be because they are now not just light years behind Australia but behind others that are also way behind Australia. That becomes a sobering and scary thought.

Its 1 thing to lose to the best but when you lose to others then that is an issue. With Aus being so good every loss to anyone else becomes a cause for panic or refletion.

Im not saying its correct, but its a possibility.

Blame Australia :)
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Certainly in New Zealand's case they are in a worse position because they are trying to compete/copy what has worked for Australia. Trying to turn McCullum into Gilchrist is not working and is actually destabilising the team.
 
Scaly piscine

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Prince EWS said:
No real point in that - you only need 5 of him to get through 50 overs of him, so clone him 4 times.
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Yea but you want 5 *fit* versions, so clone him 100 times. Maybe 200 just to be on the safe side.

After seeing the innings against Australia I thought Taylor was a bit of a slogger to be honest. I can't really see him being anything special at ODI level.
 
Scaly piscine

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fiery said:
:huh: What, so hit 3 or 4 sixes and you're a slogger?
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Where did I say he hit 3 or 4 sixes so he must be a slogger?


He was taking great big wind-ups at the ball (which was how he got injured), there was lots of pre-meditation and this was all in the middle over period (as opposed to the last 10 with wickets left). Having said that Australia's batting had a fair share of slogs in it, but mostly when you'd expect that sort of shot. Symonds against the spinners in particular was pretty ugly at times.

Are you illiterate PhoenixFire? Sick of people reading into stuff to a ridiculous level - last two posts are a great example of this.
 
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Fiery

Fiery

Banned
Scaly piscine said:
Sick of people reading into stuff to a ridiculous level - last two posts are a great example of this.
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:huh: You called him a "slogger". There was no lack of comprehension shown on our behalf at all so don't get your knickers in a twist
 
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Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
He was taking great big wind-ups at the ball (which was how he got injured), there was lots of pre-meditation and this was all in the middle over period (as opposed to the last 10 with wickets left). Having said that Australia's batting had a fair share of slogs in it, but mostly when you'd expect that sort of shot. Symonds against the spinners in particular was pretty ugly at times.
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Of course he was trying to hit out. The run rate was nearly 8 per over, and he was trying to take toll on the only weakness in Australia's bowling attack: the spinners. If he is a slogger, why did he take so long getting his eye in against the quicks?
 
Raghav

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
Ross Taylor is definetly a good prospect for Nz. Tell me who other bats so fluentlly when in comparison. Astle is bit shaky at the start of the innings, fleming too is a bit shaky...McCullum and Taylor and Fulton are the only ones that settle quickly. Thats what Nz need when top order failure is regularly happening. Ask Vincent to open instead of McCullum . Vincent can do that same job of McCullum at the top as an opener. He can clear the infield very easily. His inconsistency is reducing his chances, but lets try vincent as an opener.

But good point about Nz is that they lost both the matches with good fight. They did not hand both the matches easily.

But, Kiwis are known for this . They can bounce back .....

Watch out BLACKCAPS for the next week games. They will definetly will win against ENG and will give good fight to AUS. They are capable .
 
Scaly piscine

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bahnz said:
Of course he was trying to hit out. The run rate was nearly 8 per over, and he was trying to take toll on the only weakness in Australia's bowling attack: the spinners. If he is a slogger, why did he take so long getting his eye in against the quicks?
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Actually the required run rate only just went over 7 per over and given the rate at runs were scored in the game it wasn't exactly panic stations at that point. He struggled against good quick bowling - no need for explanations there really.
 
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