Muralitharan - Finger or Wrist Spinner?

[silentstriker]

People really need to teach me on how I can spin the ball with my elbow. It would be a very nice trick.

Apparently, several people on the board have figured it out but I can't get it to work.

 

[JBH001]

Best not go there SS - it would simply derail the thread.

No need to reply to Laurrz and Social, when nothing anyone can say or show or prove would convince them of anything worthwhile regarding this topic...

A complete waste of time, imo.

(Besides it really has nothing to do with the thread)

 

[Ikki]

People really need to teach me on how I can spin the ball with my elbow. It would be a very nice trick.

Apparently, several people on the board have figured it out but I can't get it to work.

Pfft you can't? I can even spin it with my .....

 

[social]

I don't really understand this comment. Are you saying his elbow could bend even though they created a brace that forced it to not bend?

I am not commenting on whether he throws in a game situation. My comment was on the inability to bowl such deliveries without throwing. That statement is blatantly false as he has proven the ability to bowl them in a lab without throwing, regardless of whether he does that in a game or not.

I was being facetious - there are braces and there are braces

BTW, he's never proven that he can bowl without throwing (and nor has anyone else for that matter), he's proven that he can bowl within the tolerance limits under controlled conditions.

 

[silentstriker]

I was being facetious - there are braces and there are braces

BTW, he's never proven that he can bowl without throwing (and nor has anyone else for that matter), he's proven that he can bowl within the tolerance limits under controlled conditions.

Eh? Throwing = not bowling under tolerance limits. So basically he has proven to be able to not throw his deliveries under proper conditions.

 

[Richard]

Shane Warne doesn't become an 'offspinner' when he bowls his wrong-un. You're classified by what you are...not what the batsman is.

Exactly, and that's why Warne is a wristspinner, not a legspinner - the fact that you're classified by what you are and not what the batsman is only emphasises what stupid terms "offspinner" and "legspinner" are.

Warne's stock-ball, however, does change according to what the batsman is. What is to a right-hander a Leg-Break is an Off-Break to a left-hander.

 

[Richard]

Exactly right, a 'wristspinner' traditionally is an 'over the wrist spinner' i.e someone who bowls legspin, be they left or right-handed.

No, wristspinner is someone who spins the ball principally with the wrist, whether it's over, under, alongside, around, across, behind...

 

[Richard]

Explain why the "off-spinner"/"leg-spinner" terminology is so disgraceful. Everyone who plays cricket is intelligent enough to know that if you turn it away from the right-hander, you'll naturally turn it into the left-hander (usually). The terminology is based on the convention of a right-handed batsman at the crease, isn't it? What's the big deal?

The stupidity of basing terminology on something that's far from universal (and becoming ever less so with more and more people making the conscious decision to bat left-handed).

Why bother with it when you can use "wristspinner" and "fingerspinner" which are so much more descriptive?

 

[Richard]

3-time olympic javelin champion Jan Zelezny also wore a brace on his throwing (bowling?) arm

Did he produce the same results with the brace on?

 

[adharcric]

The stupidity of basing terminology on something that's far from universal (and becoming ever less so with more and more people making the conscious decision to bat left-handed).

Why bother with it when you can use "wristspinner" and "fingerspinner" which are so much more descriptive?

Descriptive? The obvious example of why they aren't descriptive is Murali, who is a wristspinner but turns it in the opposite direction of most other wristspinners. As a batsman, my primary concern is which way you will turn the ball, not whether you use your fingers, wrist, tongue or toes to spin the ball. By the way, left-handed batsmen are not so stupid that they wouldn't realize that an off-spinner is turning the ball away from them.

 

[Richard]

Who gives a damn about which direction their description says they turn it? Most bowlers have a wrong-'un of some sort.

I highly doubt the descriptions are required for the players.

Equally, to spectators it's far more important how much the ball turns than what direction.

 

[adharcric]

There's no point carrying on. By the way, have you ever played competitive cricket?

 

[Richard]

Err, how about yes?

 

[Ikki]

Richard, are you married? And if so, how many times have you slept on the couch?

 

[Son Of Coco]

No, wristspinner is someone who spins the ball principally with the wrist, whether it's over, under, alongside, around, across, behind...

Of course, how silly of me, I forgot how much you knew about the art. My humblest apologies.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Richard, are you married? And if so, how many times have you slept on the couch?

Are you talking about the number of times he actually slept on the couch or are we talking the number of times he was lucky to even sleep inside the house, thus bringing his first chance sleeping on the couch average into effect?

 

[social]

Did he produce the same results with the brace on?

Won 3 olympics

 

[steds]

It's quite obvious he uses his wrists. Why is this even a question?

So do all other off break/slow left arm bowlers. Same as all leggies use their fingers. Which is why I think calling someone a finger spinner or a wrist spinner is pretty useless.

Edit: Just read Dickinson's posts. Oh dear.

 

[silentstriker]

So do all other off break/slow left arm bowlers. Same as all leggies use their fingers. Which is why I think calling someone a finger spinner or a wrist spinner is pretty useless.

But that is not the question. With the current terminology, Murali would quite clearly be a wrist spinner as his action is quite identical to other wrist spinners (except wrist turns the other way).

 

[Richard]

Richard, are you married? And if so, how many times have you slept on the couch?

No, I'm only 21, most 21-year-olds haven't even considered marriage, and whenever I feel like it.