Mr Mxyzptlk
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New Zealand >>> England still.
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***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series
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Matt52
U19 Vice-Captain
We are talking about selections for the Commonwealth series which is between NZ, Aus, and England who arent doing that well at the moment. After that NZ will play the Chappell -Haddlee series which is three games aginst Australia.
We will play Aus around nine times in the next few months depending on whether we make the finals or not,.
So, when we are discussing who should be in the side to play Aus possibly 9 times over the next few months, dont you think its relevant to talk about their records against Aus.?
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Mr Mxyzptlk
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Umm. I thought we were talking about you saying that Styris is over-rated and not worthy of a top 4 position in the New Zealand lineup. Could've sworn that's how this all started...
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
Oooooh, very good points on the part of both combatants there.
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
It really worries me that he should even be thinking about that. We need to be able to win regardless of the state of mind of the opposition.John Bracewell said:
John Bracewell is such a buffoon that I almost want us to tank in the CB series and the World Cup, just so NZC can sack the nonce and we never have to put up with his antics again. Jeez, if we win the World Cup we might have to endure another four years of his tomfoolery.
Matt52
U19 Vice-Captain
I think he is overated and therefore he shouldnt be selected in the top four for the upcoming series, I provided his record against Aus to back up my point that he should bat lower down. 5 or 6.
I will just disagree with you and leave it at that. My reasoning is that if you can compete against Aus, then it shows you have the ability to succeed anywhere. If you cant succeed against the best side while others like Fleming and Astle can, then that shows perhaps you are not as good as the others. Seems logical to me.
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Fiery
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You've done a good job in showing his record is poor against Australia but that doesn't prove that he is "over-rated". If anything it just shows how good his record would be if he had never played them and that he is due to do well against them. Look forward to him proving you wrong
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Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
NZ weren't 3rd in ODI cricket recently for nothing, we've just dropped down to 4 but maybe we deserved that after the shambles against Sri Lanka. We have been playing far better ODI cricket than England have over the last 2 to 3 years.
A full strength NZ side should be expecting to beat England. Now i'll just have to cross every part of my body and touch wood.
A full strength NZ side should be expecting to beat England. Now i'll just have to cross every part of my body and touch wood.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Faulty reasoning. There are players who have succeeded against Australia who I am convinced don't have such an ability. But that is all.
SquidAU
First Class Debutant
That could be a bad move....I don't think White's bowling is up to scratch yet and Hogg would have to be a little miffed if it were true.
pasag
RTDAS
Hogg unlucky to miss out ahead of a second Gilchrist
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Considering the position up for grabs is a #7 batting allrounder role, I see exactly why White was chosen.
luffy
International Captain
Hogg unlucky to miss out ahead of a second Gilchrist
Edit: **** i just noticed i had two gilchrists, so that what you were saying....
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SquidAU
First Class Debutant
Well, if he scores runs, then good on him! We all know the lad can bat but I reckon he'll get hammered when bowling.
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Fantastic decision to bat Clarke at 4 instead of Hussey, IMO. Was quite concerned they'd move Hussey up to 4 following his test move, but evidently the team values his finishing abilities. White at 7 gives a nice balance.
As I said earlier in this thread, I really think White is competing with Watson, not with Hogg. If the selectors want to pick 4 seamers they'll have either Watson or White in the top 7, and Hogg won't play. If Hogg does play it will be at the expense of Johnson or Clark, not White.
Mind you, given the rotation policy they'll probably play Hogg at 7 once or twice in this series and leave White out, but in the WC I'd expect White to miss out in favour of Watson's return, and Hogg to be a bowler if he plays at all. White isn't a frontline spinner and Hogg really isn't a number 7 batsman.
As I said earlier in this thread, I really think White is competing with Watson, not with Hogg. If the selectors want to pick 4 seamers they'll have either Watson or White in the top 7, and Hogg won't play. If Hogg does play it will be at the expense of Johnson or Clark, not White.
Mind you, given the rotation policy they'll probably play Hogg at 7 once or twice in this series and leave White out, but in the WC I'd expect White to miss out in favour of Watson's return, and Hogg to be a bowler if he plays at all. White isn't a frontline spinner and Hogg really isn't a number 7 batsman.