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***Official*** India in South Africa

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
So the next thing is the England tour. I assume Simon Jones will be back by then, and they will field Panesar-Jones-Hoggard-Harmison-Flintoff?
I want India to play England's full strength side. We really need our experienced players to step up and our young legs to succeed and gain some experience.

EDIT: The energy that has been missing from this team will hopefully be revived with the inclusion of players like Kaif, Yuvraj, Gambhir, and Karthik.
 
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Dravid

International Captain
Finally, all the ex-players are saying: Drop Tendulkar ! NOW !!
one more article:

If mind has tendons then the Tendulkar-of-today has thousand ruptures on it. Shivaji Park’s Sachin would have danced down the wicket to Paul Harris and given the ball a mighty elevation. At Cape Town he elevated the bowler. Spare the Little Master the one-day series against West Indies and Sri Lanka. He needs to dig deep into his inner recesses and find some honest answers
Dude no one wants to listen to a smaller version of the Indian media. Don't bother.
 

Dravid

International Captain
Finally, some one on the board has the courage to state the obvious. At this point even Dinesh Karthick would be a excellent replacement :laugh:

Tendulkar can make a few great shots under no pressure and against ordinary bowling.

India deserves better ! DROP TENDULKAR ! NOW !!
If you are an Indian fan, then there is no way in hell India deserves you
 

Dravid

International Captain
That's the best you can come up with. Try harder - show how low you can sink ...please...give us a window into your small mind with more personal disparaging comments.

More quotes:

"It's been mistake-free, high-pressure stuff and we've worked hard for it. It's not like we turned up and expected our talent to win games. We prepared as well as we possibly could, worked hard and got our just rewards.

"I would say that our discipline was the key. We've done all the little things really well. Our running between the wickets was great, our fielding, generally, was sharp. Our bowling was terrific."

No - this is not Tendulkar. It is Ricky Ponting. Wake up guys - we lost on an 'Indian' pitch - a test we should have won. In both the last tests Tendulkar screwed up at crucial times.

DROP TENDULKAR ! NOW !!
The best you can come up with is only showing up when Sachin plays bad, but never show up during his 50s. If anything you are lower than SS and Rich. Get a life.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So the next thing is the England tour. I assume Simon Jones will be back by then, and they will field Panesar-Jones-Hoggard-Harmison-Flintoff?
I don't think jones is ever gonna be back.

I reckon England will get thrashed now, we need to rest Freddie and get him properly fit, but with the World Cup coming up we're going to run him into the ground.

So after Hoggy, whos also had some injury probs, it'll be a misfiring Harmi, along with dross like Saj, Plunkers and co:@
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Good post, I'm happy with our performance, and it's great to see us come back after such a horrific display in Jo'Burg.. For all our shortcomings, we never know when we are beaten and thats a good quality to have.. As for Smith, well whatever people think about him, he can bat, and it looks like he can lead a side.. Prince makes me eat my words with every good innings, and we know he can score runs against the very best (Australia)
Happy we've found Paul Harris.. Okay it was a good pitch for bowling spin at Cape Town, but I hope they stick with him.. He isn't going to set the world on fire, but he has good control, and we've seen what Monty can do with England. I hope they stick with him
I just wish we could play England now, while Smith is starting to fire.. No doubt they'll have some sort of resurgence and beat us again..
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Good post, I'm happy with our performance, and it's great to see us come back after such a horrific display in Jo'Burg.. For all our shortcomings, we never know when we are beaten and thats a good quality to have.. As for Smith, well whatever people think about him, he can bat, and it looks like he can lead a side.. Prince makes me eat my words with every good innings, and we know he can score runs against the very best (Australia)
Happy we've found Paul Harris.. Okay it was a good pitch for bowling spin at Cape Town, but I hope they stick with him.. He isn't going to set the world on fire, but he has good control, and we've seen what Monty can do with England. I hope they stick with him
I just wish we could play England now, while Smith is starting to fire.. No doubt they'll have some sort of resurgence and beat us again..
Maybe so but he did out bowl Anil Kumble which must be a positive and showed decent control. Say what you will about Harris not landing two balls in the same spot, Anil has over 500 test wickets and other than the odd hand grenade he did sweet FA all game other than bowl ridiculously full or far too short. Real disappointment for India and what happened to his batting?

Going back to Harris don't know if he is going to feature at Centurion, last years wicket against New Zealand wasn't particularly conducive to spin but the third test is back at Newlands so he will doubtlessly have another chance for South Africa in the not to distant future.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think jones is ever gonna be back.

I reckon England will get thrashed now, we need to rest Freddie and get him properly fit, but with the World Cup coming up we're going to run him into the ground.

So after Hoggy, whos also had some injury probs, it'll be a misfiring Harmi, along with dross like Saj, Plunkers and co:@
We won't lose to India this summer.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Maybe so but he did out bowl Anil Kumble which must be a positive and showed decent control. Say what you will about Harris not landing two balls in the same spot, Anil has over 500 test wickets and other than the odd hand grenade he did sweet FA all game other than bowl ridiculously full or far too short. Real disappointment for India and what happened to his batting?
Wasn't at his best but you have to remember - Kumble does not care about turn, he needs uneven bounce. Ironically, the first two wickets suited him a lot more (he averaged 17.22 in the first two games).

In any case, his batting has declined significantly, he is a #10 now.
 

nexxus

U19 Debutant
Wow, what a series. If we can pull this off again against Pak it would a great fillip going into the World Cup.

Just a quick thought, why is Sree a great find? Surely he's in the test team, that means they've found him already. A great find would be some totally unknown dude taking 8 wickets in an innings against the touring side when playing for some ragtag Rural Country XI. Just being nitpicky, India's Andre Nel was certainly an entertaining if not sometimes infuriating sight.

Saiyonara India, you're off to face the inevitable s***storm waiting back home. I think Sehwag might have an uncomfortable time, Ganguly will be the Prince restored to his throne, but I think he's a liability personally. Woefully bad against the short ball, unspeakably worse when running between the wickets & amazingly an even worse fielder than I remember. (Doesn't touch Munaf though, he's the Anti-Rhodes)

SA will have a week or so to bask in their own glory before facing a Pakistan side that can mercilessly slay anyone on their day, or collapse like a jumping castle after Wolverine's had a bounce in it if it isn't.

From SA's side, Prince is my new King. All hail, I should've never doubted, I'm your loyal subject. Hashim, it pains me greatly to say, but you shouldn't play against Pakistan is what my brain says, though deep down I hope you do, and you really come to the party in a big big way.
 

adharcric

International Coach
The praise for South Africa is surprising tbh. You can praise their resiliance to come back from a 1-0 deficit, but in terms of the standard of cricket they were far from impressive. The win over India essentially came down to South Africa being less pathetic than India. Smith returned to form and looks confident again, but de Villiers was disappointing and Asif will work him out in a second. Amla still isn't convincing and Gibbs isn't quite as reliable as one would like. Kallis is rock solid and Prince was awesome, but the bowling wasn't polished either. Pollock and Nel were brilliant but Ntini blew hot and cold and Steyn was cold for the most part, perhaps due to a lack of fitness. Harris took wickets but he hasn't much yet. This series saw each side keen on losing the advantage rather than seizing it.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Laxman needs to put a greater price on his wicket. He's only been dismissed in single figures twice in his last 10 Tests - for ducks - and yet has only crossed 50 five times in that period. And his only hundred in that time came against the West Indies on a pitch where the average per wicket was 47.1.
Greater price on his wicket? Terminology quite inapproprtiate for Laxman nowadays seeing as he bats as defensively as he's ever done.

He just needs to start scoring runs, he's putting a price on his wicket because all series he never got out to a horrible shot, but he's just not scoring enough.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Many are saying to drop Tendulkar. As I have said many times on this thread, yes Tendulkar is well past his best, but we must understand the fact that he HAD been rubbish for the past year or so but in this series he has been decent.
Closer to 4 years of relative rubbish to be honest.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Closer to 4 years of relative rubbish to be honest.
You can't call 2004 rubbish, you can call it very inconsistent, but that's like calling some of Lara's years in the late 90s rubbish.

2003 was due to injuries IMO, its the last two years which are really worrying.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Over the last 4 years, his average without the Bangladesh boost is not much over 40 - relatively speaking, that is rubbish to be fair.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
The praise for South Africa is surprising tbh. You can praise their resiliance to come back from a 1-0 deficit, but in terms of the standard of cricket they were far from impressive. The win over India essentially came down to South Africa being less pathetic than India. Smith returned to form and looks confident again, but de Villiers was disappointing and Asif will work him out in a second. Amla still isn't convincing and Gibbs isn't quite as reliable as one would like. Kallis is rock solid and Prince was awesome, but the bowling wasn't polished either. Pollock and Nel were brilliant but Ntini blew hot and cold and Steyn was cold for the most part, perhaps due to a lack of fitness. Harris took wickets but he hasn't much yet. This series saw each side keen on losing the advantage rather than seizing it.
well said, cool summary of the series here...
 

Evermind

International Debutant
Issues with Indian Cricket

Yet another humiliating defeat overseas. India are the whipping-boy of international cricket: lame-duck captain and abysmal fielding and batting. The bowling, at times disciplined, was still nowhere as good as say the Aussie, SA, Pak or even the English and SL attack. I'd say the Indian bowling right now is on the level of WI or maybe Bangladesh: no bowler capable of bowling consistently over 135kmph. I shudder to think what Australia would've done to India in these conditions.

People have been saying "well, at least it wasn't as bad as England's debacle during the Ashes". However, I'd say that it was even worse, because of the rank inability of the Indians to learn from their mistakes - or even in fact admit that there were any.

Look at the English press, and the former captains - they've been scathing of the performance, and there's been a lot of talk of owning up, of being accountable, of heads rolling. Among the Indians, however, people like Ravi Shastri are not even willing to admit that changes need to be made, that there needs to be a re-haul of the way domestic cricket is played, etc. All of the former players seem very reluctant to honestly put down their opinion of a series that has - except for the one game which was won because SA batters chose to commit suicide because of complacency - been an unmitigated disaster. Shastri keeps saying "I like the intent, I think it's a positive move" about the smallest issues and all the Indian reports keep talking about how SA should be scared etc etc just before the match. No one is willing to stand up and say "look, the fielding is disastrous, and most of the team is mentally weak. They have zero fitness and absolutely no desire to win".

Compared to England's performance, India's was arguably much worse. Yet they're still celebrating that one freak win and talking about the positives that should be taken from the tournament. There's no sense of accountability and absolutely no willingness to face that fact that the players constantly crumble under pressure. There is no demand for an explanation of how they batted during the 4th day. England's team has been FORCED into making changes - India's, because of its meek press and meek ex-players who don't want to tell it like it is and don't want to offend anyone, will continue to rest easy and suffer more humiliating defeats. For a country with a population greater than that of all the other cricket-playing nations put together, it is absolutely incredible that they can't field 11 men who are capable of simple, high-school level fielding. Monty Panesar was repeatedly singled out for his poor fielding and he knew that he'd have no chance unless he improved it. The results are there to see. Munaf Patel? Not a word's been said about him - then again, a large part of the team is at the same level.

I admire England's unwillingness to bury its head in the sand - that is the FIRST STEP in improvement.

Any thoughts?
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
Yet another humiliating defeat overseas. India are the whipping-boy of international cricket: lame-duck captain and abysmal fielding and batting. The bowling, at times disciplined, was still nowhere as good as say the Aussie, SA, Pak or even the English and SL attack. I'd say the Indian bowling right now is on the level of WI or maybe Bangladesh: no bowler capable of bowling consistently over 135kmph. I shudder to think what Australia would've done to India in these conditions.

People have been saying "well, at least it wasn't as bad as England's debacle during the Ashes". However, I'd say that it was even worse, because of the rank inability of the Indians to learn from their mistakes - or even in fact admit that there were any.

Look at the English press, and the former captains - they've been scathing of the performance, and there's been a lot of talk of owning up, of being accountable, of heads rolling. Among the Indians, however, people like Ravi Shastri are not even willing to admit that changes need to be made, that there needs to be a re-haul of the way domestic cricket is played, etc. All of the former players seem very reluctant to honestly put down their opinion of a series that has - except for the one game which was won because SA batters chose to commit suicide because of complacency - been an unmitigated disaster. Shastri keeps saying "I like the intent, I think it's a positive move" about the smallest issues and all the Indian reports keep talking about how SA should be scared etc etc just before the match. No one is willing to stand up and say "look, the fielding is disastrous, and most of the team is mentally weak. They have zero fitness and absolutely no desire to win".

Compared to England's performance, India's was arguably much worse. Yet they're still celebrating that one freak win and talking about the positives that should be taken from the tournament. There's no sense of accountability and absolutely no willingness to face that fact that the players constantly crumble under pressure. There is no demand for an explanation of how they batted during the 4th day. England's team has been FORCED into making changes - India's, because of its meek press and meek ex-players who don't want to tell it like it is and don't want to offend anyone, will continue to rest easy and suffer more humiliating defeats. For a country with a population greater than that of all the other cricket-playing nations put together, it is absolutely incredible that they can't field 11 men who are capable of simple, high-school level fielding. Monty Panesar was repeatedly singled out for his poor fielding and he knew that he'd have no chance unless he improved it. The results are there to see. Munaf Patel? Not a word's been said about him - then again, a large part of the team is at the same level.

I admire England's unwillingness to bury its head in the sand - that is the FIRST STEP in improvement.

Any thoughts?

How is a 5-0 loss better than a 2-1 loss?? India played 10 times better than england. There were hardly any positives for england! Unless u count loss of enthusiasm as one! England had a few glimpses in the series, but nothing worth mentioning. India on the other hand have had the emergence of bowlers like sreesanth and the emergence of karthick as a batsman. Yeh, sure the fielding wasn't brilliant, but in terms of batting, and bowling india were better than england.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Yet another humiliating defeat overseas. India are the whipping-boy of international cricket: lame-duck captain and abysmal fielding and batting. The bowling, at times disciplined, was still nowhere as good as say the Aussie, SA, Pak or even the English and SL attack. I'd say the Indian bowling right now is on the level of WI or maybe Bangladesh: no bowler capable of bowling consistently over 135kmph. I shudder to think what Australia would've done to India in these conditions.

People have been saying "well, at least it wasn't as bad as England's debacle during the Ashes". However, I'd say that it was even worse, because of the rank inability of the Indians to learn from their mistakes - or even in fact admit that there were any.

Look at the English press, and the former captains - they've been scathing of the performance, and there's been a lot of talk of owning up, of being accountable, of heads rolling. Among the Indians, however, people like Ravi Shastri are not even willing to admit that changes need to be made, that there needs to be a re-haul of the way domestic cricket is played, etc. All of the former players seem very reluctant to honestly put down their opinion of a series that has - except for the one game which was won because SA batters chose to commit suicide because of complacency - been an unmitigated disaster. Shastri keeps saying "I like the intent, I think it's a positive move" about the smallest issues and all the Indian reports keep talking about how SA should be scared etc etc just before the match. No one is willing to stand up and say "look, the fielding is disastrous, and most of the team is mentally weak. They have zero fitness and absolutely no desire to win".

Compared to England's performance, India's was arguably much worse. Yet they're still celebrating that one freak win and talking about the positives that should be taken from the tournament. There's no sense of accountability and absolutely no willingness to face that fact that the players constantly crumble under pressure. There is no demand for an explanation of how they batted during the 4th day. England's team has been FORCED into making changes - India's, because of its meek press and meek ex-players who don't want to tell it like it is and don't want to offend anyone, will continue to rest easy and suffer more humiliating defeats. For a country with a population greater than that of all the other cricket-playing nations put together, it is absolutely incredible that they can't field 11 men who are capable of simple, high-school level fielding. Monty Panesar was repeatedly singled out for his poor fielding and he knew that he'd have no chance unless he improved it. The results are there to see. Munaf Patel? Not a word's been said about him - then again, a large part of the team is at the same level.

I admire England's unwillingness to bury its head in the sand - that is the FIRST STEP in improvement.

Any thoughts?
Nevermind mate..
 

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