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[Turbinator]

^ Overall Yes, Recent Form No.

 

[silentstriker]

^ Overall Yes, Recent Form No.

How many overs has Sachin bowled recently?

 

[adharcric]

He is OK, just saying IMO Sachin is a better part timer.

In ODIs, yes. Sachin is a dangerous part-timer in ODIs because he only has a few deliveries to bowl and the batsmen need to score runs.
That helps him create pressure because he is an intelligent bowler. In tests, Sehwag > Sachin (as a bowler). Sehwag can land it consistently and introduce the subtle variation.

The reality is that they are both underused in tests. The even bigger reality is that our batting is in deep **** and we should focus on that instead of our part-time bowlers.

 

[Turbinator]

How many overs has Sachin bowled recently?

Exactly, that's why recent form no.

 

[silentstriker]

In ODIs, yes. Sachin is a dangerous part-timer in ODIs because he only has a few deliveries to bowl and the batsmen need to score runs. That helps him create pressure because he is an intelligent bowler. In tets, Sehwag > Sachin easily (as a bowler).

I'm not sure about that. In ODI's we both agree, but Sachin can break up partnership with his leg spin (different from Kumble's)...and also the hybrid pace-spin bowling he tried in ODI. I'd like to see him get 1-2 overs of that in tests if the match warrants it.

The reality is that they are both underused in tests. The even bigger reality is that our batting is in deep **** and we should focus on that instead of our part-time bowlers.

Yes.

 

[Turbinator]

In ODIs, yes. Sachin is a dangerous part-timer in ODIs because he only has a few deliveries to bowl and the batsmen need to score runs.
That helps him create pressure because he is an intelligent bowler. In tets, Sehwag > Sachin easily (as a bowler).

The reality is that they are both underused in tests. The even bigger reality is that our batting is in deep **** and we should focus on that instead of our part-time bowlers.

Agree with you there completely, but Sehwag IMO is good enough atm to focus on his batting only and still bowl great offspin.

 

[adharcric]

Agree with you there completely, but Sehwag IMO is good enough atm to focus on his batting only and still bowl great offspin.

Yes, but he's obviously not focusing hard enough.

 

[silentstriker]

Agree with you there completely, but Sehwag IMO is good enough atm to focus on his batting only and still bowl great offspin.

He is not good enough to bat. Let alone bowl.

 

[Turbinator]

Yes, but he's obviously not focusing hard enough.

Well, tbh I think he is focusing hard, but he is very stubborn as a batsmen. He wants to show the world, with the technique he has right now he can still get out of his slump and can come back strong.

 

[silentstriker]

Well, tbh I think he is focusing hard, but he is very stubborn as a batsmen. He wants to show the world, with the technique he has right now he can still get out of his slump and can come back strong.

Thats the problem. He doesn't have the technique. And at this stage in his career, its too late to learn a whole new technique. So he has to go back to domestic cricket and focus on getting his confidence back...and maybe learning how to leave balls better and how not to HIT THE ****ING BALLS AWAY FROM YOUR ****ING BODY!

 

[adharcric]

Well, tbh I think he is focusing hard, but he is very stubborn as a batsmen. He wants to show the world, with the technique he has right now he can still get out of his slump and can come back strong.

He can be stubborn, defiant, resilient or whatever else you'd like to call it, but he's not putting a price on his wicket. That's all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[Turbinator]

Thats the problem. He doesn't have the technique. And at this stage in his career, its too late to learn a whole new technique. So he has to go back to domestic cricket and focus on getting his confidence back...and maybe learning how to leave balls better and how not to HIT THE ****ING BALLS AWAY FROM YOUR ****ING BODY!

Or we could just give him one last chance and put him down the order.

 

[Turbinator]

Anyways, enough said... If we don't put him down the order atleast let him open one last time.

V Sehwag & G Gambhir (Ind) 12 19 1 1002 55.66 2 6
JG Wright & TJ Franklin (NZ) 16 28 0 1543 55.10 5 5
RC Fredericks & CG Greenidge (WI) 16 31 2 1593 54.93 5 5
CPS Chauhan & SM Gavaskar (Ind) 36 59 3 3010 53.75 10 10
ME Trescothick & AJ Strauss (Eng) 28 52 1 2670 52.35 8 12
JH Edrich & G Boycott (Eng) 21 35 3 1672 52.25 6 8
ML Hayden & JL Langer (Aus) 63 111 3 5575 51.62 14 24

Haha, I am just kidding btw.

 

[adharcric]

Thats the problem. He doesn't have the technique. And at this stage in his career, its too late to learn a whole new technique. So he has to go back to domestic cricket and focus on getting his confidence back...and maybe learning how to leave balls better and how not to HIT THE ****ING BALLS AWAY FROM YOUR ****ING BODY!

He only needs to learn how to leave good deliveries. He obviously isn't going to come back playing front-foot cover drives like Dravid after a few months in domestic cricket.
He just needs to work on a little front-foot (or back-foot, if it works for him) defense to counter the new ball. He needs to watch out for the incoming delivery on off-stump as well.
Eventually the bowlers will offer up tripe outside off and he can do his thing away from the body because that's what he does.

 

[silentstriker]

He only needs to learn how to leave good deliveries. He obviously isn't going to come back playing front-foot cover drives like Dravid after a few months in domestic cricket. He just needs to work on a little front-foot (or back-foot, if it works for him) defense to counter the new ball. Eventually the bowlers will offer up tripe outside off and he can do his thing away from the body because that's what he does.

Yea, also not hit the balls away from his body by hanging his bat out to dry. Get behind the line of the ball. Surely thats not a huge adjustment (it isn't, as I've seen him do it before in NZ and Australia).

 

[silentstriker]

Anyways, enough said... If we don't put him down the order atleast let him open one last time.

That was his last chance.

 

[Turbinator]

I honestly, though believe Sehwag needs to play his natural game. He is a mess at the moment and doesn't know what exactly to do out there, because there is too much pressure. That is why I was saying drop him down the order. Anyways, if that is not possible then he should go out there and deliver a blistering start. While Gambhir or Jaffer or Chopra or anyone wears the ball down. And if Sehwag gets out, I believe Dravid is good enough to wear it out, unless obviously the umpires have a say.

In other words, if you're not gonna drop Sehwag down the order, tell him to play his natural game.

 

[adharcric]

Turb, did you just look at the Langer thread for those stats?

 

[Turbinator]

Turb, did you just look at the Langer thread for those stats? He does need to play his natural game, but he needs to play out the new ball for a few overs at least and be better in shot selection.

Yeah that's why I have a comment in that thread too adressed to you and SS. It's a joke though as I said above.

 

[adharcric]

Sehwag should play his natural game to a limited extent. In other words, he needs to work out a few kinks in his natural game. Specifically, he needs to learn how to deal with the ball on off-stump or in the corridor of uncertainty, because that's what quality bowlers will give you. You don't go for a wild square cut on those deliveries when the new cherry is swinging just because it's your natural game.