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Harmison Admits He May Have Had Depression
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L Trumper
State Regular
In a weird way, I think it helped them. Also hard to qualify homesickness as depression though.
fredfertang
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I can see what you mean - out of sight is out of mind and all that
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Any idea if any studies have been done with regards to the impact homesickness has on the contribution to depressive states? Not necessarily with regards to cricketers, but with people in general. Would be interested to see what the correlation between these two things are.
No, no. I don't mean technical diagnosis. More like people around him, the journalists, the couches, etc. saying it. I remember reading an article on it, with verbatim quotes from someone in the team. Almost believe it might have been Donald.
NasserFan207
International Vice-Captain
I think English cricketers just have more of a precedent to be able to admit this kinda thing. I mean, Davies came out, so citing depression isn't a big deal anymore.
Depression is a horrible illness btw.
Depression is a horrible illness btw.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Being gay isn't tho. Wouldn't want to conflate the two. Kudos to Davies for coming out, but it's possible he's a totally well adjusted young fella, mentally speaking.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Neither being gay or suffering from depression fit in with the macho sporting stereotype though.
NasserFan207
International Vice-Captain
^What GF said. Mental illness and homosexuality suggest weakness. Ignorant I know, but that's been the perception for a long time.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Controversial.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Fletcher then went on to absolutely tear into Freddie in his book, for turning up to training drunk etc. Granted, he still shouldn't have done that, but given that England were aware of his problems....well **** you Fletcher.
4-0 you fat old ****.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Piss-weak management, tbh. Fred should never have got the gig back after Strauss made such a good fist of his first go. Dunc's rationale seemed to be that it would've upset Flintoff more than the incumbent to miss out, which is such a poor reason on so many levels.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, tbh I'm not entirely sure Freddie would have kicked up quite the fuss Fletcher anticipated anyway, but even so it is a poor decision on every level. Imagine if you were denied a promotion in work because someone else who had previously been seconded to the role would be upset about it. It is beyond belief really. And one suspects that it was actually Harmison's reaction he was more worried about, well if he was worried about Harmison (which obviously he should have been, going by this thread) I think there might just have been better ways to look after things than having his own handpicked captain. And I'll bet you Flintoff not giving Harmison the new ball hurt him a lot more than if it had been Strauss who made said decision.
Some people have contested this, but I think the decision to make Flintoff captain weakened both of their performances considerably, and given how important they had both been to us in the previous couple of years, that was something we couldn't afford. Think the only way he could have made things any worse would have been to upset Pietersen somehow as tbh without KP we'd have found a way to lose that series 7-0.
Add in the Giles/Panesar and Read/Jones fiascos and we really ought to have asked for his ****ing MBE back.
4-0, ****
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
At the same time though, what if Strauss had led us to a 5-0 defeat in Australia? Who do you turn to when KP and Moores have a massive falling out?
**** happens for a reason. Fletcher's appaling management in 2006 has turned out to have massive benefits for England 5 years down the line.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, I agree in theory but then again by changing the captain in 06-07 you don't know what else you change down the line and there might well be no KP-Moores fallout.
Of course I'm glad Strauss is captain now, and he'd have likely not recovered from 5-0, but it doesn't make any of it less galling.
And of course I make no apologies for Freddie being one of my favourite sportspeople ever and to see Fletcher stick the boot in in his book annoyed me anyway, but even more so now.
4-0, ****
Furball
Evil Scotsman
True, but I don't know how much else would have changed to be honest between that campaign and the West Indies tour 2 years later to be honest. Vaughan was always coming back and Strauss was overlooked in 2008 because they wanted one captain for all formats. You'd still have had Moores as coach and KP as captain.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
tbh Harmy's being a bit delusional with some of his comments. He certainly didn't have to carry Hoggard, Flintoff & Jones, and I'm not convinced he was still number 1 in the rankings by the end of 2004. Sounds like an excuse for poor performances. Totally different to Tres, who was in the form of his life when depression really became a problem. And very different to Fred captaining a side being absolutely mullahed.
We're talking cricket here right? The one where the gangly, the soft-spoken and the unathletic have performed?
