Simon Jones

Pup Clarke · Jul 10, 2007

Let's get back to talking about that fine pace bowler Steven Harmison.

Oh wait...

Swervy · Jul 10, 2007

Richard said:
That's extremely hypocritical of you, you've told me off countless hundreds of times as you said I was showing disrespect by doing exactly that.

Someone saying 'You are talking bollocks' is completely different to someone saying 'eff off, no one wants you here blah blah'. Its the difference between saying someone is saying stupid things, or saying that someone is stupid.

One is a comment about your behaviour (albeit not particularly polite), or what you say, the other is a personal insult.

I find it insulting when you say someone is stupid or a fool for having an opinion different to yours....I dont have a problem with you saying 'what you have just said makes you look foolish'...its subtle, but the the difference in message is huge. Its the main reason I find you very condesending sometimes.

Swervy · Jul 10, 2007

Pup Clarke said:
Sorry SS. . and it won't happen again. I'm not usually that sort of person (if you knew me0 to go around throwing insults. I apologise to Swervy and Scaly and hope the matter is sorted.

really, no need to apologise to me about it. One of those things!!!!!

Pup Clarke · Jul 10, 2007

I felt I needed to tbh because I could see a few people were (rightly) upset with my personal attack on Scaly. I don't particullary like the guy's posting style but I know now that there was no need to swear or personally insult him.

Swervy · Jul 10, 2007

Pup Clarke said:
I felt I needed to tbh because I could see a few people were (rightly) upset with my personal attack on Scaly. I don't particullary like the guy's posting style but I know now that there was no need to swear or personally insult him.

you live and learn!!!

Richard · Jul 10, 2007

Swervy said:
Someone saying 'You are talking bollocks' is completely different to someone saying 'eff off, no one wants you here blah blah'. Its the difference between saying someone is saying stupid things, or saying that someone is stupid.

One is a comment about your behaviour (albeit not particularly polite), or what you say, the other is a personal insult.

I find it insulting when you say someone is stupid or a fool for having an opinion different to yours....I dont have a problem with you saying 'what you have just said makes you look foolish'...its subtle, but the the difference in message is huge. Its the main reason I find you very condesending sometimes.

I disagree, they're both equally condescending IMO. I've made an extremely concerted effort to do that less since you mentioned it on the most recent occasion, having often written such a thing without really thinking, and often aimed at people who I like and respect greatly. It's far too much to expect *certain people* to do likewise, of course, partly because respect is almost a foreign concept to them.

Obviously, saying "you're a ****" or "you're a loser" is totally different to either and is quite clearly prohibited by forum rules. Saying "**** off" actually isn't, though, Voltman said it to me a fair few times and was never censured.

Pup Clarke · Jul 10, 2007

That's certainly the last time I'll personally insult a member as I now know of the consequences.

FBU · Jul 10, 2007

So Jones is still not playing. I think his upper body is too muscular for a bowler. Even Watson is now trying to change his body shape and become more slender to prevent injuries. Much of Jones speed comes from those big shoulders and it's not a body that will last for 25 Tests. He must have one of the most casual run ups ever for someone who releases the ball in the 90s.

Then we have Mahmood who has the right body and can bowl at 95mph but doesn't understand what bowling is all about. On a fast bouncy wicket he bowls his slower balls. In fact he bowls more slower balls than faster ones. Doesn't have a bowling plan, just tries whatever comes into his mind when he reaches his run up.