Warne Negative

[thethirdumpire]

Just been watchin the Ashes review and something Thorpe said really interests me. He said that last year when Giles bowled around the wicket to Tendulkar bowling into the footmarks and trying to contain him the press especially the aussies press had a rite going say how it was against the spirit. Howver what is Warne doing differently he is still bowling around the wicket trying to tie Vaughan down the only thing is warne gets the odd one to shoot which makes it look better than what it is.

Is Warne a Negative Bowler

 

[Rik]

Well he turns it so much the wicket is in danger of being hit...but yes I suppose it is a negative tactic due to it being even harder to hit...

 

[The Argonaut]

It's a tactic that Warne uses too much though it is spectacular when he bowls someone around his legs. I don't know that Giles turns it enough to do that.

It's very hard for the batsman to score more so for Warne because of the turn.

I much prefer to watch him bowl over the wicket and use more of his variation. Everyone is having trouble with the slider which can only be bowled over the wicket with great effect.

 

[Top_Cat]

You're all missing the point.

Maybe against Vaughan it was used in a negative way to contain him but against everyone else, Warnie's 'bowling around the wicket' tactic is an extremely positive tactic. What's the difference? The field placings. Giles' tactic was to bowl outside leg-stump and stack the leg-side field to restrict the scoring. Phil Tuffnel did exactly the same thing.

Warnie bowls around the wicket and stacks the off-side field, with only a couple of fielders covering the boundary on the leg-side. The idea is to encourage batsmen to try to hit against the spin, which is tough to do considering the spin Warnie gets.

Either way, I don't see any 'wrong' or 'negative' about it in the same way I saw nothing wrong with Giles' idea. If it works, so be it. The object is to get the batsman out. Why should you give them a chance out of some anachronistic notion of 'sportsmanship'?

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by Top_Cat
You're all missing the point.

Maybe against Vaughan it was used in a negative way to contain him but against everyone else, Warnie's 'bowling around the wicket' tactic is an extremely positive tactic. What's the difference? The field placings. Giles' tactic was to bowl outside leg-stump and stack the leg-side field to restrict the scoring. Phil Tuffnel did exactly the same thing.

Warnie bowls around the wicket and stacks the off-side field, with only a couple of fielders covering the boundary on the leg-side. The idea is to encourage batsmen to try to hit against the spin, which is tough to do considering the spin Warnie gets.

Either way, I don't see any 'wrong' or 'negative' about it in the same way I saw nothing wrong with Giles' idea. If it works, so be it. The object is to get the batsman out. Why should you give them a chance out of some anachronistic notion of 'sportsmanship'?

Yup true, their job IS to get batsmen out. Although I'm still bitter Tuffers didn't play as much as he should have !!! oh well, I'll have to make do with watching Daniel Vettori bowl whenever I can.

 

[Gotchya]

Maybe against Vaughan it was used in a negative way to contain him but against everyone else, Warnie's 'bowling around the wicket' tactic is an extremely positive tactic. What's the difference? The field placings. Giles' tactic was to bowl outside leg-stump and stack the leg-side field to restrict the scoring. Phil Tuffnel did exactly the same thing.

Also, Warne has used this tactic to attack batsmen. Balls darting out of the rough into the leg/middles stump are supposed to be attacking, whereas giles is not the greatest spinner of the ball, the ball just gets enough turn to get into the batsmen's body which makes it look like negative or defensive bowling.

 

[chris.hinton]

Classing Warne has Negative is like class Bangldesh to win the world cup in 2011

 

[royGilchrist]

The bottom line is there is no negative bowling, or for that matter negative cricket. Anything that works. The mdeia, Gavaskar, etc when say negative cricket, they are trying to pressure the opposing team into getting out of their game plan.

 

[Gotchya]

Classing Warne has Negative is like class Bangldesh to win the world cup in 2011

Maybe your are right there roy. Any team that comes out with a plan should be allowed to do so. Its another matter wether that plan makes for attractive cricket or not !

 

[Umpire Money]

Im with Top cat- he is a smart man.

warney is in a different class than giles(giles is crap)
and warne just changes the angle to try and get the foot marks for a wicket not to contain(no contain)