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Viv Richards Vs Warne

Viv Richards Vs Warne

  • Viv Richards

  • Warne

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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Coronis said:
ftfy.



Yeah 100% its easy to forget on here how small all these non Bradman margins actually are. How much worse would a team realistically be having Kallis the batsman rather than Lara or Tendulkar the batsman. In reality, not much at all.



This is what really bugs me sometimes.
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I don't see any reason to rate Warne higher, does that say that no one can? I personally don't see any.

You don't see any way that Viv is a top 10 batsman....

What's the difference.

This gotcha bullshit is hilarious.

I have no issues with anyone having different views to me, I don't try to convince anyone to come over to my side of seeing anything.

My only argument has been that slip fielding is underrated, and I fully understand why it is by everyone. Just try to get people to look at it more.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Migara said:
Sanga probably there and there about with Viv in tests. Viv is in a different planet compared to Sanga in ODI game. So as overall batsman, it's Viv. But Sanga has a secondary discipline which is top class, and way above what Viv has had as second discipline. As a player, he is already ahead of Viv IMO.
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Yes, and I referenced that in the post. You probably also have Sanga top 5 or 10 overall?
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
subshakerz said:
I think presenting the top 20 bats as all virtually interchangeable is a problem.
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I agree with this for batsman and pacers. It irks me. No, the top 20 isn't interchangeable.

People just look at averages and ignore context, conditions, skill sets etc. Hayden in my opinion isn't close to Sunny. Same way many here call Smith way over rated, but it's fine when they say it.

All hypocrisy and most posts and opinions right now are based on personalities and who persons don't particularly like, and it's becoming obvious.
Can easily name 3 off the top of my head.

There's tangible differences between these players, some were match winners, some were just stats driven. Some cashed in on shite conditions, some battled through hellish ones.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Migara said:
Depends on what you want to treat him as. If he kept wickets, then he would have averaged close to 50. If he never kept he would have averaged low sixties. As a pure bat he is #2. no question about it when some one averages 65. Things get complicated when his keeping is included.
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As I said, you rate Sanga ridiculously high.

I don't believe he's the 2nd best batsman ever, don't think it's particularity close tbh.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
kyear2 said:
As I said, you rate Sanga ridiculously high.

I don't believe he's the 2nd best batsman ever, don't think it's particularity close tbh.
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Nah, it's double standards.

When we discuss keeper - bat Sanga, the batting average is 40, and critics don't want to consider the rest of the career.
When Sanga the bat is discussed, the same critics want to include the keeper bat phase as well.
He averages 57 FFS. If he has not kept would have averaged half a dozen more. Average of 62-63 over that much of tests surely puts him right at the top.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
kyear2 said:
I don't see any reason to rate Warne higher, does that say that no one can? I personally don't see any.

You don't see any way that Viv is a top 10 batsman....

What's the difference.

This gotcha bull**** is hilarious.
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I have literally said multiple times in multiple threads that I see why people have Viv rated so high, I accept that and have also explained why I don’t. I can see why most posters here rate certain players where they do, and whilst I disagree with them a fair bit, I don’t lash out and call them morons or idiots.

kyear2 said:
I have no issues with anyone having different views to me, I don't try to convince anyone to come over to my side of seeing anything.

My only argument has been that slip fielding is underrated, and I fully understand why it is by everyone. Just try to get people to look at it more.
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Seriously?
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Coronis said:
I have literally said multiple times in multiple threads that I see why people have Viv rated so high, I accept that and have also explained why I don’t. I can see why most posters here rate certain players where they do, and whilst I disagree with them a fair bit, I don’t lash out and call them morons or idiots.



Seriously?
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Man, on the Viv thing, tho I disagree, I respect your opinion. Beyond that I agree with most of your opinions, and you’re one of the most logical and objective posters here.
 
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Xix2565

International Regular
Most people voting for Viv probably hate bowlers tbh, only reasonable explanation for not valuing an Australian leggie who took 708 wickets at 25.42 and was along with McGrath the biggest reasons as to why Australia were dominant during their careers. Ridiculous tbh, even with his weaknesses against certain teams and health issues he's basically a lock in ATG XIs far more than Viv.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Xix2565 said:
Most people voting for Viv probably hate bowlers tbh, only reasonable explanation for not valuing an Australian leggie who took 708 wickets at 25.42 and was along with McGrath the biggest reasons as to why Australia were dominant during their careers. Ridiculous tbh, even with his weaknesses against certain teams and health issues he's basically a lock in ATG XIs far more than Viv.
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Not really. Viv features in as many ATG XIs.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
kyear2 said:
I don't see any reason to rate Warne higher, does that say that no one can? I personally don't see any.

You don't see any way that Viv is a top 10 batsman....

What's the difference.

This gotcha bull**** is hilarious.

I have no issues with anyone having different views to me, I don't try to convince anyone to come over to my side of seeing anything.

My only argument has been that slip fielding is underrated, and I fully understand why it is by everyone. Just try to get people to look at it more.
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They are also considering Viv was the top ODI bat and Warne was not among the top 10 ODI bowlers.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Warne and Murali both idolised Richards, and the former called him the greatest after Bradman. Sachin called him the best bat, so did Lara, Sanga, Aravinda, Inzi, Crowe and even Kohli maybe. Amongst bowlers Imran, Botham, Lillee(in terms of batsmanship purely he rated Richards above Sobers, Barry etc), Holding, Willis, Akram etc. Don’t think any cricketer bar Bradman or Sobers has been praised so mightily by such a range of ATGs
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Warne and Murali both idolised Richards, and the former called him the greatest after Bradman. Sachin called him the best bat, so did Lara, Sanga, Aravinda, Inzi, Crowe and even Kohli maybe. Amongst bowlers Imran, Botham, Lillee(in terms of batsmanship purely he rated Richards above Sobers, Barry etc), Holding, Willis, Akram etc. Don’t think any cricketer bar Bradman or Sobers has been praised so mightily by such a range of ATGs
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So?
 
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