Viv Richards vs Sunil Gavaskar

[PlayerComparisons]

Two batsmen that opposition feared

 

[Johan]

 

[capt_Luffy]

PC doesn't miss such things. Atleast now we can leave the Hobbs vs Tendulkar Thread for Hobbs and Tendulkar.

 

[kyear2]

Well as I said in the other thread.

I have Richards in that elite best after Bradman tier, I don't quite have Sunny up there.

Sachin, Sobers, Viv, Hobbs and arguably Smith, Lara and Hutton.

Have Sunny just outside of that group and closer to the guys behind.

 

[subshakerz]

Well as I said in the other thread.

I have Richards in that elite best after Bradman tier, I don't quite have Sunny up there.

Sachin, Sobers, Viv, Hobbs and arguably Smith, Lara and Hutton.

Have Sunny just outside of that group and closer to the guys behind.

Why is Smith arguable? He is clearly the best bat of his era without competition without any major flaw in his record.

To me I put him in the first tier. Strange how CW has soured on him.

 

[peterhrt]

The following have been named by fellow players (and an umpire) as the best batsman they have seen. Since 1945 only. Additional names/nominators welcome.

Viv Richards: Botham, Robin Smith, Thorpe, Willis, Merv Hughes, Dujon, Hunte, Marshall, Richie Richardson, Roberts, Shastri, Vengsarkar, Saeed Anwar, Imran, Inzamam, Mohd Yousuf, Zaheer Abbas, Aravinda de Silva

Tendulkar: Harvey, Hayden, Warne, Donald, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Hanif, Qadir, Muralitharan, Flower

Hutton: Appleyard, Cowdrey, John Edrich, Graveney, Trueman, Waite, Ramadhin

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

Sobers: Illingworth, Underwood, Greg Chappell, Walters

Gavaskar: Hutton, Asif Iqbal, Mudassar Nazar

Lara: Alec Stewart, Herschelle Gibbs, Wasim Akram

Greg Chappell: Thomson

Harvey: Davidson

Weekes: Sobers

 

[kyear2]

The following have been named by fellow players (and an umpire) as the best batsman they have seen. Since 1945 only. Additional names/nominators welcome.

Viv Richards: Botham, Robin Smith, Thorpe, Willis, Merv Hughes, Dujon, Hunte, Marshall, Richie Richardson, Roberts, Shastri, Vengsarkar, Saeed Anwar, Imran, Inzamam, Mohd Yousuf, Zaheer Abbas, Aravinda de Silva

Tendulkar: Harvey, Hayden, Warne, Donald, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Hanif, Qadir, Muralitharan, Flower

Hutton: Appleyard, Cowdrey, John Edrich, Graveney, Trueman, Waite, Ramadhin

Barry Richards: Gooch, Bob Taylor, Dicky Bird, Lillee, Graham McKenzie, Graeme Pollock, Procter

Sobers: Illingworth, Underwood, Greg Chappell, Walters

Gavaskar: Hutton, Asif Iqbal, Mudassar Nazar

Lara: Alec Stewart, Herschelle Gibbs, Wasim Akram

Greg Chappell: Thomson

Harvey: Davidson

Weekes: Sobers

I sincerely don't think that people get how special Viv Richards was.

 

[kyear2]

Why is Smith arguable? He is clearly the best bat of his era without competition without any major flaw in his record.

To me I put him in the first tier. Strange how CW has soured on him.

I haven't. I said arguable. If he goes though, so does BCL.

Those two guys are dead even for me.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

if Smith, Viv, and Lara were playing in the same era, I think Smith would be rated as the third best bat of his era

 

[ma1978]

Anyone who says it’s not close is a moron.

the only one who is not close is Bradman.

 

[Johan]

Viv>Smith>Lara for me

 

[Johan]

You always have the dumbest votes @PlayerComparisons

 

[ma1978]

You always have the dumbest votes @PlayerComparisons

your rationale for why it’s not close? Gavaskar opened and had the higher average and didn’t have to face to the Windies.

 

[ma1978]

Well as I said in the other thread.

I have Richards in that elite best after Bradman tier, I don't quite have Sunny up there.

Sachin, Sobers, Viv, Hobbs and arguably Smith, Lara and Hutton.

Have Sunny just outside of that group and closer to the guys behind.

ridiculous false precision to suit your prejudices

 

[ma1978]

Why is Smith arguable? He is clearly the best bat of his era without competition without any major flaw in his record.

To me I put him in the first tier. Strange how CW has soured on him.

ridiculous false precision to suit your prejudices

 

[Johan]

your rationale for why it’s not close? Gavaskar opened and had the higher average and didn’t have to face to the Windies.

I think Viv's away record is a lot better when it comes to batting against ATG pacers, and think Sunny had some visible flaws against pace. btw my vote of it not being close isn't on their output but moreso on their placement in my all time top 25 batters, I've Viv in top 5 and Gavaskar in top 15

 

[subshakerz]

I haven't. I said arguable. If he goes though, so does BCL.

Those two guys are dead even for me.

They aren't for me. Smith has virtually no flaw in his record.

 

[Coronis]

Gavaskar.

When I say close, I kind of have Richards in a group with others, but its a group slightly behind Gavaskar.

If I was to vote “not close” in one of these it would need to be

Player A tier/group

Whole other tier/group

Player B

 

[DrWolverine]

I sincerely don't think that people get how special Viv Richards was.

It is largely due to his style of play

 

[Johan]

It is largely due to his style of play

and being the greatest player of fast bowling of all time.