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Vettori vs. Panesar vs. Shakib vs. Harris (Test Bowling)
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Scaly piscine
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If I wanted someone who's rubbish against virtually every Test class batting lineup then I'd go for Vettori. People are finally seeing past the turban, the awful batting and the comical fielding of Donkey Panesar and realising he's not much cop with the ball.
So that leaves two options who I don't know much about.
On stats Shakib would be better because he takes 5-fers, Harris just seems to be randomly gifted wickets on and off. Anyway not enough information to come to a conclusion yet.
So that leaves two options who I don't know much about.
On stats Shakib would be better because he takes 5-fers, Harris just seems to be randomly gifted wickets on and off. Anyway not enough information to come to a conclusion yet.
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I'd say Vettori's the best out of them in terms of ability. But Panesar and Harris have benefited from unfamiliarity (and Harris also from a lack of respect). And hey, who cares how they get their wickets.
I've never actually seen Shakib so i can't really comment on him.
I've never actually seen Shakib so i can't really comment on him.
Jigga988
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You have to give it to Vettori based on the multiple jobs he does for NZ, i.e. keeping an end tight and being threatening and the fact that he's been going on for so long...
Reckon Pantybra's average is sure to go up, and people might actually start giving Harris respect which would be resultant in his average going up (though he does do a job for Seth Efrica) and never ever seen Shakib, based on figures he must have something about him though...
Reckon Pantybra's average is sure to go up, and people might actually start giving Harris respect which would be resultant in his average going up (though he does do a job for Seth Efrica) and never ever seen Shakib, based on figures he must have something about him though...
Scaly piscine
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As people don't seem to be realising how ****e Vettori's stats are against Test class batting sides:
57 wickets @ 35 against Australia (they play him badly, but nothing special there)
46 wickets @ 14 against Bangladesh - very nice average booster there
45 wickets @ 37 against England
21 @ 55 against India
4 @ 100 against Pakistan
18 @ 70 against SA
41 @ 21 against SL - the only Test quality side he has a good record against
33 @ 26 against WI who were completely rank against any competent spinner
23 @ 31 against Zimbabwe
Take out Bangladesh and he averages 37. If you take out Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and WI then he averages 39 with the ball.
57 wickets @ 35 against Australia (they play him badly, but nothing special there)
46 wickets @ 14 against Bangladesh - very nice average booster there
45 wickets @ 37 against England
21 @ 55 against India
4 @ 100 against Pakistan
18 @ 70 against SA
41 @ 21 against SL - the only Test quality side he has a good record against
33 @ 26 against WI who were completely rank against any competent spinner
23 @ 31 against Zimbabwe
Take out Bangladesh and he averages 37. If you take out Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and WI then he averages 39 with the ball.
Flem274*
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Yeah we get it Scaly-NZ have never had a good player in their history, especially if they're compared with some Durham player. Now kindly go down your mine shaft with your scrabble kit and be paranoid about anti-northern bias in the press.
Seriosuly, we'd read your posts more if we hadn't had to listen to the BS that you'd been sprouting last year and before. Thought you'd gotten over it considering you didn't go in for the kill in the Indian thread.
England would kill to have Vettori as a batsman btw. someone to stay with Pietersen long enough.
The best on that list is probably Vettori all up, though Shakib is currently the best. Harris is better than everyone thinks imo and Monty needs to learn some new tricks to keep up with the play.
Seriosuly, we'd read your posts more if we hadn't had to listen to the BS that you'd been sprouting last year and before. Thought you'd gotten over it considering you didn't go in for the kill in the Indian thread.
England would kill to have Vettori as a batsman btw. someone to stay with Pietersen long enough.
The best on that list is probably Vettori all up, though Shakib is currently the best. Harris is better than everyone thinks imo and Monty needs to learn some new tricks to keep up with the play.
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Good point. Also, if we take out his bowling against SL, SA, England, Australia and India in addition to the above, he averages 100 and only has 4 wickets
. That's pathetic!
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To summarise.
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Pffft, thought he was making pretty good points. Vettori, I'm afraid, quite simply isn't a threat to top-quality batsmen in test matches. He has an excellent record against the tail- in fact 34% of his wickets have come against the tail, compared with 26% for Harris. Even Monty, much-maligned for always getting cheap wickets, is around 32%.Yeah we get it Scaly-NZ have never had a good player in their history, especially if they're compared with some Durham player. Now kindly go down your mine shaft with your scrabble kit and be paranoid about anti-northern bias in the press.
Seriosuly, we'd read your posts more if we hadn't had to listen to the BS that you'd been sprouting last year and before. Thought you'd gotten over it considering you didn't go in for the kill in the Indian thread.
England would kill to have Vettori as a batsman btw. someone to stay with Pietersen long enough.
The best on that list is probably Vettori all up, though Shakib is currently the best. Harris is better than everyone thinks imo and Monty needs to learn some new tricks to keep up with the play.
Vettori's a funny one in that he'll only rarely get out a good player of spin, but very rarely fail to get out a poor one. Don't get me wrong, he's a good bowler, but his lack of turn often makes him quite reliant on the batsman making a mistake.
Flem274*
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Yeah he does have good points but with all due respect, you haven't been around long enough to know what he's like about NZ players so the general response to him being negative, even if right is a
.Thats why Heef, who has far far greater tolerance than me, treats him as
worthy here.So basically I unashamedly played the poster, not the post.
HeathDavisSpeed
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Let's be honest, no slow left-armer is a prodigious turner of the ball. Vettori's wickets come mainly from variations on release, speed and flight.
This is what differentiates Vettori from other left-armer non-spinners. He's has much more cricketing nous and guile than, say, Panesar.
I wouldn't dispute that he's not a big turner of the ball, but he still has huge value as a player.
This is what differentiates Vettori from other left-armer non-spinners. He's has much more cricketing nous and guile than, say, Panesar.
I wouldn't dispute that he's not a big turner of the ball, but he still has huge value as a player.
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I think he means they'll always struggle to take it away from the batsman because their natural angle to a RHB means they have to turn it just to make it straighten.
I know Scaly's pretty heavy with his bizarre cricketing views, but i didn't think that particular post was worth the response you gave it