Athlai
Not Terrible
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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Frankly, the methods most people on this forum (including myself) use to rate players is subjective gobblygook. I could rank players by the likelyhood of their mother's being whores and it could be valid to me.
Your idea sounds fine, even if their is issues with it (like the bang bros game mentioned above). I have an issue with you calling an official home WC knock-out game low pressure because the opposition's batting lineup was subpar.
If you press the average button to rank it this way as opposed to by run volume, Baz comes in just under Ewen ChatfieldBatting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
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Mike5181
International Captain
Yeah, but McCullum scored 185 in a test match against Shahadat Hossein and Rubel Hossain. That's 66 more than Crowe's 119 against Marshall, Garner, Holding, Walsh. And 83 more than Williamson's 2012 century against Steyn, Philander, Morkel. Chatfield can't compare.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Are you referring to the points you made in response to steve, me, or both?
I didn't ignore your post, FYI, I read it at the time. Your point, from what I could tell, was that
1.Half the windies overs were bowled by subpar bowlers.
The rest of what you said loops back to your initial argument of that innings being an anomaly.
The fact that the windies weren't a great side doesn't change the fact that guptill is facing thr first ball in a home WC quarter final and pretty much single handedly winning the game for hid team. The pressure of facing that first ball, or batting through the innings doesn't suddenly fade from your mind because Darren Sammy or Marlon samuels are bowling a few overs.
Mike5181
International Captain
Explain how excluding a dead rubber game against Bangladesh is an issue.
And again, even if I agreed with you about the West Indies game, which I like 80% don't. I literally started the whole ****ing argument by saying there are exceptions, because the guy had a 14 year long career. The trend of Guptill's career was that he generally failed when it came to high pressure games in tournaments. I gave you a 50 game sample size against the top teams. If you want to push back against one you're not proving anything. Literally no one thinks that attack is in the same stratosphere as runs against someone like Mitchell Starc or any other top ranked bowler.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
That's why I asked which post you where referring to first. I read your response to the bang thing, just didn't see a point to comment on it given that's a different discussion. That 237 is one knock across his career, but is also boosts his numbers from 27 @75 in your initial sample to ~34 @85. Given the fact that your sampling by the best teams, who i'de assume have better bowlers on average, and adding some high pressure games in there, you'de expect a minor drop in average, no? 41 @85 down to 34 @85 is a massive difference to 41@85 down to 27 @ 75.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
ICC Super league... actually
Ha, that is a tenuous link to a tournament. Well pointed out though
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
So a bunch of key players are rested from the Bangladesh odis in the name of not overworking them....but that's a series on pitches that might be similar to the world cup. Seems like a good idea.
By my count, the 3rd ODI in that series is 9 days before our World Cup opener. I presume we will have one or two warm up games in India...bit as you say, on sub continental pitches, we are going to play a bunch of guys who won't even be in the World Cup squad let alone XI? If I've ever encountered a WTF bit of news, that is it. Wouldn't these guys be relishing the chance to get match practice in relevant conditions? Why even schedule a bloody series if it has no relevance to the world cup in your eyes?
