Athlai
Not Terrible
It is. Putting him 2nd was the masterstroke to legitimise the exercise
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Top 30 batsmen of the modern era (1990s -Current)
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TheJediBrah
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So I assume number 1 will be Devon Conway
Any exercise that would put Steven Smith at 'number 1 by far' would have its flaws or sure . Yes he averages almost 62 but still has long way to go. It only took a Neil Wagner to expose him a lot. Ashwin supported by Indian bowlers in the last series confirmed it. I don't mind him at number 1. But by a long way that too from the likes of Lara & Kallis???? No way .
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
90s Sachin > 2000s Sachin, unoitttttt
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
No. 1
Steven Smith - 164.4
Points: 164.4
Span: 2013-21
Peak: 2016-19
Longevity penalty: -12.2
Overall points: 172.7
Overseas points: 185.9
Best bowling attack points: 160.1
Peak points: 196.4
Runs: 7540
Average: 61.80
Most valuable series performances:
vs India, 2014, Home, Runs- 769, Avg- 128.16
vs South Africa, 2014, Away, Runs- 269, Avg- 67.25
vs India, 2017, Away, Runs- 499, Avg- 71.28
vs England, 2017 Home, Runs- 687, Avg- 137.40
vs England, 2019 Away, Runs- 774, Avg- 110.57
#Most valuable series are the ones that had the most impact on the total points earned.
Not the most elegant to watch but Smith is the perfect example of a runs machine. His unorthodox style leaves the bowlers confounded and the analysts scratching their heads trying to decode his technique. Scoring 700 plus runs a series multiple times with an average of more than 100 could make one wonder if this is fantasy cricket. No batsman has scored these many runs with such consistency in the last 30 years. Some people might question his spot at no.1 because of longevity but I am fairly sure it is only a matter of 2-3 years before he solidifies his place as one of the best. After factoring in the longevity penalty there is only a 2 points gap between him and Sachin. But even if you compare with the best 8 years of Sachin, he would still have him beat. Smith has the highest overall, overseas and peak points even if you consider only the best 8 years of all the batsmen.
Steven Smith - 164.4
Points: 164.4
Span: 2013-21
Peak: 2016-19
Longevity penalty: -12.2
Overall points: 172.7
Overseas points: 185.9
Best bowling attack points: 160.1
Peak points: 196.4
Runs: 7540
Average: 61.80
Most valuable series performances:
vs India, 2014, Home, Runs- 769, Avg- 128.16
vs South Africa, 2014, Away, Runs- 269, Avg- 67.25
vs India, 2017, Away, Runs- 499, Avg- 71.28
vs England, 2017 Home, Runs- 687, Avg- 137.40
vs England, 2019 Away, Runs- 774, Avg- 110.57
#Most valuable series are the ones that had the most impact on the total points earned.
Not the most elegant to watch but Smith is the perfect example of a runs machine. His unorthodox style leaves the bowlers confounded and the analysts scratching their heads trying to decode his technique. Scoring 700 plus runs a series multiple times with an average of more than 100 could make one wonder if this is fantasy cricket. No batsman has scored these many runs with such consistency in the last 30 years. Some people might question his spot at no.1 because of longevity but I am fairly sure it is only a matter of 2-3 years before he solidifies his place as one of the best. After factoring in the longevity penalty there is only a 2 points gap between him and Sachin. But even if you compare with the best 8 years of Sachin, he would still have him beat. Smith has the highest overall, overseas and peak points even if you consider only the best 8 years of all the batsmen.
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seems you didn't take into account one of the most important factors ....bowling quality ... the likes of Sachin,Lara,Dravid Kallis,S.Waugh faced far more quality bowlers thru out their career. As I said, I don't mind Smith being the no:1 based on plain average, but this huge gap in points between him and the names I quoted don't make sense what so ever. For instance Lara has only 146 points where as Smith has 164...Simply makes no sense...
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Isn't that what the "Best bowling attack points" measures?
_00_deathscar
International Regular
According to this methodology though there is almost zero chance Smith could end up #2, right?
He's got -12 longevity points at the moment which will only improve, even if his other stuff fades a bit it won't hurt him that much.
He's got -12 longevity points at the moment which will only improve, even if his other stuff fades a bit it won't hurt him that much.
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
All discussion aside, I'm just happy to see Saeed Anwar just barely missed out on the top 30.
agreed ..... but the weightage alloted to this factor seems relatively smaller .... it seems ...That is why there is a point difference of almost 18 between Smith & Lara as per this analysis, which I simply can't agree with. Lara ,Sachin .Kallis etc faced so many <25 bowlers for much longer periods and achieved their average. Smith lags convincingly in this factor.
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
Interesting question. I just did the math and for Smith to retain the spot he would have to score at least 127 points for the next 4-year period (2021-24). Which means a top 5-7 batsmen in that period. Seems like a cakewalk for a batsman who scored 160 & 190 in the previous 8 years, unless there is a major slump in his form.
Teja.
Global Moderator
Great effort in running this @venkyrenga
I don’t agree fully with some of the factors used but the system has generated a lot of interesting incidental discussion on things like RPI along with the rankings themselves being fun to post through.
I don’t agree fully with some of the factors used but the system has generated a lot of interesting incidental discussion on things like RPI along with the rankings themselves being fun to post through.