This is interesting - ODI dot ball rates:

[marc71178]

Wisden have done some research into the number of dot balls faced / delivered over the last 18 months.

Highlights:

England are the best at scoring, facing a lower percentage of dot balls than any other nation.

Nasser Hussain, much criticised for his ODI batting, is above Bevan, supposedly the best batsman in the world because of his ability to nudge it around.

Over 70% of the balls Glenn McGrath bowls are dots.

Martin Suji is 3rd best in that category.

Here's the full article

 

[Neil Pickup]

Tragically for England, Kenya score a higher percentage of their runs as boundaries. This is why we don't hit the peaks and nadirs as often as others. Also, India and even Bangladesh send down more dot balls (although Bangladesh even this out with a huge amount of 4-balls, no-balls and wides...)

 

[Bazza]

Martin Suji is a very economical bowler actually. He regularly returns figures of 10 overs for about 20 runs!

Hussain isn't in the top 10 though for that category, and it isn't exactly a guide to the best nurdlers (!) or anything, because the likes of Klusener, Flintoff, Cairns, etc are all in the top 10.

Good to see Caddick in the bowlers list, though he always has been very economical.

Just looking at differences between dot balls bowled and faced (in percentage terms):

Australia +4.51
South Africa +4.40
Pakistan +3.69
England +1.87
West Indies +1.55
Sri Lanka +0.23
India +0.20
New Zealand -1.20
Zimbabwe -5.45
Bangladesh -10.88
Kenya -12.47

Not a wildly inaccurate form guide for the last 18 months!

 

[PY]

In the English Daily Telegraph, it says that Australia faced 122 dotballs out 216 balls faced in their innings against holland!:O :O accounting for the pitch and/or good bowling thats still pretty shocking because either way quality ODI batting involves if you're stuck for runs then you knock it about. Still did respectably though so can't really criticise them

 

[age_master]

well i think england lack the ability to hit many boundaries apart from 4 batsmen, Vaughan, flintoff, trescco and knight wheras you look at teams like Aus and RSA which have hitters down the order like Boucher, lehmann, kluesener, pollock, lee etc


what i would like to see is some % boundaries tables or just runs scored per ball


also the high % dot ball batsmen are often hitters who will go 4 . 4 . 4 . - thats 50% dot balls BUT also 50% boundareies

 

[marc71178]

In the English Daily Telegraph, it says that Australia faced 122 dotballs out 216 balls faced in their innings against holland!:O :O accounting for the pitch and/or good bowling thats still pretty shocking because either way quality ODI batting involves if you're stuck for runs then you knock it about. Still did respectably though so can't really criticise them

I disagree, it was a very professional performance, since they realised D/L would come into play and therefore conserved wickets - they could possibly have scored an extra 20 or 30 runs for the loss of 3 or 4 wickets, but that wouldn't have been so good for them.

 

[PY]

I agree that it was clever that they realised that losing wickets in the last few overs would have made the total easier for Holland but I didnt mean that should slaughter the ball to all parts, I meant that they could have knocked up singles and 2's. Angled the bat on a staright one and take a single down to third man etc etc. But still they won so bit of a pointless discussion really

 

[Slats4ever]

Something else which might be more interesting to Marc
Is Australia winning the Ashes 4-1
Australia barely raising a sweat in the VB tournament.
Michael Bevan avging over 50 at a s/r of over 75.
Australian's score ****loads of runs in county cricket.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Something else which might be more interesting to Marc
Is Australia winning the Ashes 4-1
Australia barely raising a sweat in the VB tournament.
Michael Bevan avging over 50 at a s/r of over 75.
Australian's score ****loads of runs in county cricket.

And how is this relevant?! :!(

 

[marc71178]

I wasn't trying to belittle Australia, I was just pointing out a bizarre statistic there when you consider the media treatment of Hussain.

 

[luckyeddie]

Something else which might be more interesting to Marc
Is Australia winning the Ashes 4-1
Australia barely raising a sweat in the VB tournament.
Michael Bevan avging over 50 at a s/r of over 75.
Australian's score ****loads of runs in county cricket.

The moral of the story is, if you've got nothing to say, say it anyway.

 

[marc71178]

The moral of the story is, if you've got nothing to say, say it anyway.

Amen to that!

 

[Bazza]

I actually read in the cricinfo report that if Australia lost wickets in the last few overs it wouldn't have harmed them much anyway, the point being they had wickets in hand when the rain came and the overs were reduced. Apparently Australia misunderstood this (although it's kind of understandable, can't be expected to know all the intricacies of something like that!).

 

[marc71178]

I actually read in the cricinfo report that if Australia lost wickets in the last few overs it wouldn't have harmed them much anyway, the point being they had wickets in hand when the rain came and the overs were reduced. Apparently Australia misunderstood this (although it's kind of understandable, can't be expected to know all the intricacies of something like that!).

Erm, wrong thread?!

 

[Neil Pickup]

It was in response to the comments re: Australia's slow scoring rate (and high dot ball rate!) against Holland.

And incidentally, Bazza's dead right. It's resources remaining when the rain comes that count, so it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference whether they had 2 or 10 down after their 36 were up.

 

[marc71178]

So the Aussies were stupid and got it wrong then!

(Unless there was a chance of more rain, so they were worried about that?)

 

[Bazza]

No it was in response to this series of posts:

In the English Daily Telegraph, it says that Australia faced 122 dotballs out 216 balls faced in their innings against holland!:O :O accounting for the pitch and/or good bowling thats still pretty shocking because either way quality ODI batting involves if you're stuck for runs then you knock it about. Still did respectably though so can't really criticise them

I agree that it was clever that they realised that losing wickets in the last few overs would have made the total easier for Holland but I didnt mean that should slaughter the ball to all parts, I meant that they could have knocked up singles and 2's. Angled the bat on a staright one and take a single down to third man etc etc. But still they won so bit of a pointless discussion really