Steve Harmison pulls out of Zimbabwe tour

[Richard]

And you reckon you don't twist whay people say.

If I've twisted what you've said it's not been deliberate.
I've just looked back at the respective post and another possibility has occurred to me.
Could you please clarify?

 

[marc71178]

Well... albeit one of them was a mere 400*, but nonetheless I don't think anyone would say Lara was consistent in these 8 Test-matches.

And why was he inconsistent?

Could it possibly be that the England bowlers did a good job against him? No, perish the thought that we actually have some good bowlers because you don't like them.

 

[marc71178]

Err... going at 4.346932858329-an-over causes the score to be lower than had you gone at 4.52536456590-an-over.

Except the examples which you just replied to are in the main ones where his economy rate has been far higher than the overall scoring rate (which would be lowered if you factor in byes and leg byes)

So in the context that you want to use, I ask again:

Please explain to me how an economy rate greater than the team overall rate causes the final score to be so low.

 

[Richard]

And why was he inconsistent?

Could it possibly be that the England bowlers did a good job against him? No, perish the thought that we actually have some good bowlers because you don't like them.

Yes, of course - they forced him to play all the poor strokes he played, didn't they? In spite of the fact not many have managed to force him to do such in the last 3 years, not anywhere near so cheaply anyway.
And I forgot - they also forced him to lose sight of the ball, too.

 

[marc71178]

If I've twisted what you've said it's not been deliberate.
I've just looked back at the respective post and another possibility has occurred to me.
Could you please clarify?

The rules is in regard to the overall scoring rates increasing.

That is nothing to do with how to judge bowlers.

 

[marc71178]

Yes, of course - they forced him to play all the poor strokes he played, didn't they?

Here we go again...

In spite of the fact not many have managed to force him to do such in the last 3 years, not anywhere near so cheaply anyway.

Of course they didn't go in with a plan to get him, no, they just ran in and bowled as poorly as they always do. It's all luck.

And I forgot - they also forced him to lose sight of the ball, too.

WIth the quality of the ball, yes maybe they did, but that is what got him out, the quality of the ball.

 

[Craig]

And why was he inconsistent?

Could it possibly be that the England bowlers did a good job against him? No, perish the thought that we actually have some good bowlers because you don't like them.

So if a batsman goes through a period where he averages only 6.9 I could then say "he isn't out of form or batting badly, but the bowlers are bowling well at him"?

 

[Neil Pickup]

So if a batsman goes through a period where he averages only 6.9 I could then say "he isn't out of form or batting badly, but the bowlers are bowling well at him"?

There are cases when that's a vaild conclusion.

 

[tooextracool]

All of them might need to be taken in context (the "they only got so-and-so" could actually be because of Gough's figures, not the other way around, you know) but they all prove he is rather more capable than le seemed to be suggesting.

and most of them have been looked at it in context, the 2/41 came on what was a seamer friendly wicket, on which his wickets were harbhajan and kumble, neither of whom are stubborn tailenders, the 4.14 came when indias overall RR was 3.88, which means that the other bowlers made up for him and the 2.84 came on another seamer friendly wicket on which both harmison and anderson got more wickets than him, incidentally both mcgrath and tresco picked up the same number of wickets as him- 1..

 

[tooextracool]

I wasn't - tooextracool was.
His figures are worse when you put them in context.
They're better when you don't bear in mind that one of them was against a side that don't deserve the tag "ODI side".

so if someone ends up with 2/41 picking up tailenders wickets on a seamer friendly wicket, his performances should be hailed then?

 

[luckyeddie]

And I forgot - they also forced him to lose sight of the ball, too.

Cheating blackguards - fancy doing that.

"Harmy, can you come on to bowl at the coconut end?"

"Yes, but can you make sure he's blindfolded first?"

You've lost sight of the ball, Richard.

 

[Craig]

There are cases when that's a vaild conclusion.

Like if they are bowling at his weaknessess'?

 

[marc71178]

There are cases when that's a vaild conclusion.

Such as Tendulkar last year, and to an extent Vaughan a while ago as well.

 

[superkingdave]

A bit OT but i just saw foreign secratary Jack Straw on the gogglebox shaking hands with Mugabe at the UN.

Straw claims it was dark and he couldnt see who he was shaking hands with. You really should look before you shake hands, it didnt look that dark to me.

 

[Craig]

What a farce that countries like Zimbabwe are in the UN.

 

[Mr Casson]

Straw claims it was dark and he couldnt see who he was shaking hands with.

Even if that was the case, he could still address Mugabe like a human being! j/k

 

[Craig]

Will Strauss go or not go? Flintoff is likely not to go, Trescothick is going to go though.

 

[luckyeddie]

It seems at the moment that Strauss is not likely to go. Freddie is a near certainty to miss the tour, but as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, it would have been silly to even think of taking him anyway.

 

[marc71178]

I expect we'll also see Vaughan, Giles not go.

A squad?

Trescothick (c)
Solanki (by default)
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
G Jones (as a batsman)
Read (wk)
Batty
Gough (he can't afford to pull out or it's bye career)
Wharf (ditto)
Anderson
Mascarenhas
Lewis
McGrath (running out of options now)
Clarke (see McGrath)

 

[Craig]

So Marc you picked Clarke, McGrath, Lewis, Mascarenhas, and Solanki only because their aren't many options left. Is Ian Bell or Mark Wagh up to it in the one day team?

I disagree about Vaughan, I think he will go given that he is captain, and what he said when Strauss indicated he may not go. If Vaughan pulls out, then maybe more may follow.