Sobers vs Kallis

[subshakerz]

Who has the more impressive home record as ARs? Please factor in pitches and opposition.

 

[Coronis]

Who has the more impressive home record? Please factor in pitches and opposition.

Both batsmen had strong batting support in their careers. Both had strong bowling attacks (one clearly stronger of course)

With that being said

Sobers at home 4075 @ 66.80
Other home batsmen (1-6) 15964 @ 43.98
Away batsmen (1-6) 23383 @ 42.44

Kallis at home 7035 @ 56.73
Other home batsmen (1-6) 25964 @ 37.57
Away batsmen (1-6) 29165 @ 30.16

 

[subshakerz]

Both batsmen had strong batting support in their careers. Both had strong bowling attacks (one clearly stronger of course)

With that being said

Sobers at home 4075 @ 66.80
Other home batsmen (1-6) 15964 @ 43.98
Away batsmen (1-6) 23383 @ 42.44

Kallis at home 7035 @ 56.73
Other home batsmen (1-6) 25964 @ 37.57
Away batsmen (1-6) 29165 @ 30.16

Can you give their bowling mate?

 

[Coronis]

Can you give their bowling mate?

Oh I assumed batting only. But sure.

Sobers at home 107 @ 34.12
Other Windies bowlers 541 @ 36.47
Opposition bowlers 606 @ 40.33

Kallis at home 165 @ 30.61
Other SA bowlers 1358 @ 25.83
Opposition bowlers 1163 @ 37.56

 

[subshakerz]

Oh I assumed batting only. But sure.

Sobers at home 107 @ 34.12
Other Windies bowlers 541 @ 36.47
Opposition bowlers 606 @ 40.33

Kallis at home 165 @ 30.61
Other SA bowlers 1358 @ 25.83
Opposition bowlers 1163 @ 37.56

Interesting. Hard to say who is better as ARs.

 

[Thala_0710]

Kallis just for his very impressive batting record on relatively tough pitches at home.

 

[subshakerz]

Kallis just for his very impressive batting record on relatively tough pitches at home.

Conversely Sobers had a much tougher time bowling and outperformed many bowlers of his own team apparently.

 

[Thala_0710]

Conversely Sobers had a much tougher time bowling and outperformed many bowlers of his own team apparently.

The primary discipline for both is batting though, hence much more important and impactful.

 

[vidiq]

Sir Garfield Sobers with the bat in Test Cricket in 1958 (21 yo):
52
52
80
365*(1st Test Hundred)
125
109*
14
27
25
142*
4
198
106*

Total
1299 runs
Average of 144

 

[Johan]

There's not a thing in the world that Kallis can do better than Sobers

 

[subshakerz]

There's not a thing in the world that Kallis can do better than Sobers

Deadbat maybe.

 

[Johan]

Deadbat maybe.

Well, Kallis was rather beneficial in England too, certainly moreso than Sobers

 

[subshakerz]

Well, Kallis was rather beneficial in England too, certainly moreso than Sobers

But his batting sucked there oddly.

 

[Johan]

But his batting sucked there oddly.

that is what I meant, I'd much rather have our opposition have Jacques Kallis, than Garfield Sobers.

 

[Coronis]

There's not a thing in the world that Kallis can do better than Sobers

He could do the mash.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There's not a thing in the world that Kallis can do better than Sobers

I bet he could bowl better right handed. Might even bat better right handed as well, but that might be too much speculation.

 

[Prince EWS]

The primary discipline for both is batting though, hence much more important and impactful.

Sobers did average like 10 more though. It's a tough one.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The primary discipline for both is batting though, hence much more important and impactful.

Sobers was a genuine, leading bowler for WI over a good chunk. In fact, it won't be wrong to say he was at times their best and leading bowler. Kallis never took that bowling load.

 

[Johan]

Sobers is also > Kallis in batting away from home, by a good chunk

 

[Thala_0710]

Sobers did average like 10 more though. It's a tough one.

It definitely is quite close but Kallis was the best batsman on his team at home by far despite playing the longest. In matches involving him, Amla is the next best, avging 46.
Sobers was the best overall but in matches involving himself, is outperformed by Rowe, Davis, Kallicharan and Walcott (they avg in the 70s/80s) although they each played in only 25-30% of Sober's games. However, it shows that in my multiple periods, other's were doing better than him in a way, no one was to Kallis.