Shane Warne vs Sachin Tendulkar

[ma1978]

Can someone explain what the case for Warne is?

 

[subshakerz]

Can someone explain what the case for Warne is?

I will try to steelman it:

- Greatest spinner ever
- Mastered the most difficult art of bowling
- Revived interest in spin as attacking option in non Asian countries
- ultimate clutch player and tactical genius as a bowler
- Generally outstanding away from home and in Australia which wasn't very spin conducive
- Arguably the most box office of the modern era

 

[ma1978]

I will try to steelman it:

- Greatest spinner ever
- Mastered the most difficult art of bowling
- Revived interest in spin as attacking option in non Asian countries
- ultimate clutch player and tactical genius as a bowler
- Generally outstanding away from home and in Australia which wasn't very spin conducive
- Arguably the most box office of the modern era

fair

 

[Migara]

Nah. Qadir wasn't a huge turner. He had variety. Warne had drift, super sharp spin plus accuracy, the deadly flipper. He was something else.

Qadir and Mushtaq both had the flipper. In WC quarters of 96 Mushtaq cleaned up Sidhu with a flipper, which is of quality than any flipper that Warne ever bowled (considering it was Sidhu who was tonking Warne's flippers back over his head)

 

[Migara]

I will try to steelman it:

- Greatest spinner ever
- Mastered the most difficult art of bowling
- Revived interest in spin as attacking option in non Asian countries
- ultimate clutch player and tactical genius as a bowler
- Generally outstanding away from home and in Australia which wasn't very spin conducive
- Arguably the most box office of the modern era

Not the greatest spinner ever
Not the most difficult art either. Fast leg spin and wristy off breaks are much more difficult to bowl.
Warne's competitots are as good as or even better than Warne in this aspect.

He only has the media hype.

 

[Migara]

Don't think anybody except Stuart MacGill got the amount of spin that Wanie did. Qadir's bowling style was closer to Kumble than it was to Warne (obviously unlike Kumble he could spin it, but still, you get the point)

I am lost for words.

Qadir spun it square on dust bowls. I have seen him bowl.

Oh Muralitharan got as big spin as Warne as well. He spun everything off the pitch, without help of foot marks BTW.

 

[sayon basak]

I am lost for words.

Qadir spun it square on dust bowls. I have seen him bowl.

Do you have any video footage that you could share? That would be helpful.

 

[Migara]

Do you have any video footage that you could share? That would be helpful.

I am unable to give you Qadir, but I can give you Mushtaq Ahmed, who was regarded to spin it less than Qadir, bowling some mambas.

 

[Migara]

And this is the best flipper I have seen bowled, considering the quality of the batsman. Hogg's one to Flower comes close though.

 

[sayon basak]

I am unable to give you Qadir, but I can give you Mushtaq Ahmed, who was regarded to spin it less than Qadir, bowling some mambas.

It's really impressive he could spin the googly that much, but Warne, Murali and McGill used to get more spin than that, noticably so.
Was watching this Abdul Qadir compilation Some day ago.

Definitely very impressive how he can spin his googly this much (actually more than his leggies on occasions) as it is much harder to get revs on googly the stock leg breaks, but quite a few off spinners would get that much spin on a turner. And don't really see any noticable difference in the amount of spin that Mushtaq and Qadir got.

 

[OverratedSanity]

People voting "not close" in these threads are so weird. What sport are you guys watching.

 

[Coronis]

People voting "not close" in these threads are so weird. What sport are you guys watching.

They’re not watching closely.

 

[Arachnodouche]

And this is the best flipper I have seen bowled, considering the quality of the batsman. Hogg's one to Flower comes close though.

I'm surprised you missed the brilliant flipper Murali bowled that one time in Kuala Lumpur.

 

[Johan]

Can someone explain what the case for Warne is?

Warne is considered the greatest spinner of all time by many while many have several batsmen above Tendulkar

 

[Arachnodouche]

While Sachin dominated Warne, I'd have loved to watch them at it during Warne's early bloom/post-babyfat years when he was a class apart in terms of drift, monster spin, and had the flipper in tact, or towards the end when he had the ball on a string. Obviously he was mostly bowling to lesser players of spin than Tendulkar during both periods so I'd still favor Tendulkar having the better of such an exchange, but it's an interesting match-up.

 

[DrWolverine]

Warne is considered the greatest spinner of all time by many while many have several batsmen above Tendulkar

If we were to use that logic Andy Flower is a greater cricketer than Viv Richards and Brian Lara.

Since Andy is the greatest wicket keeper batsman and we can argue there are quite a few batsman who can be considered better than Viv Richards & Brian Lara.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't

People voting "not close" in these threads are so weird. What sport are you guys watching.

It isn't close as in it's an easy decision. Tendulkar is no.3 greatest cricketer while Warne barely makes my top 10.

 

[Johan]

If we were to use that logic Andy Flower is a greater cricketer than Viv Richards and Brian Lara.

Since Andy is the greatest wicket keeper batsman and we can argue there are quite a few batsman who can be considered better than Viv Richards & Brian Lara.

Andy isn't the greatest Wicket keeper batsmen due to his low tier wicket keeping, but regardless I voted Tendulkar so not like I agree with the logic, it's close though.

 

[sayon basak]

People voting "not close" in these threads are so weird. What sport are you guys watching.

If Norwood's on fire, you can't really get that close, as it's fire everywhere.

Makes sense?

 

[DrWolverine]

Andy Flower is the best ever wicket keeper batsman. Not only is he the only keeper to average 50+ in the history of the game, the fact that he was able to do with no one else in his team being a half decent batsman and knowing he did not have any world class bowlers to dismiss the opposition made his feats much greater. Since his team couldn’t dismiss the opposition easily, he had to keep for long periods of time and then had to bat as the lone warrior.