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Rises and falls of cricket teams.

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
England have obviously got a lot better in the last 12 months, while NZ have got a lot worse.

What are other examples of teams that improved/worsened relatively quickly?
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
India on the Australia tour of 2014/15 when Dhoni retired mid series and Kohli took over

previously Dhoni’s India was a limp defensive side for years on away tours who considered draws to be wins and was ranked 7th

Kohli’s India in its first dig very nearly won a test due to aggressively pursuing a target when Dhoni’s India would have shut up shop and hoped for a draw. that set the tone for a new and arguably India’s best test side in it’s history and a great rise back to the top
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
England have obviously got a lot better in the last 12 months, while NZ have got a lot worse.

What are other examples of teams that improved/worsened relatively quickly?
The one that springs to mind immediately is the England side under Flower that beat India and Australia home and away in 2010-12 with some huge margins but fell apart completely in 2013.

Also the India side they displaced, in particular the batting order of Sehwag-Gambhir-Dravid-Tendulkar-Laxman-Dhoni, which was unstoppable for a couple of years before suddenly losing 8 matches in a row.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
England completely fell of the cliff during the second half of the 1980s. We hadn't been world beaters during the first half of the decade, but at least we won most of our home series unless WI were touring. Not so from 1986 to 1989.
 

Flem274*

123/5
NZ got back on the horse pretty fast after 45 all out. Won the odis with some fresh faces then straight into the 0-0 series against England then a pretty rapid improvement from there. NZ were respected opponents again by 2015.

This English team is probably the fastest turnaround I've ever seen though.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
England completely fell of the cliff during the second half of the 1980s. We hadn't been world beaters during the first half of the decade, but at least we won most of our home series unless WI were touring. Not so from 1986 to 1989.
Staggeringly crap sequence of results. Played 40, won 3, drew 18, lost 19. Still won the Ashes though, so this team weirdly gets off the hook compared to the 90s sides.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Staggeringly crap sequence of results. Played 40, won 3, drew 18, lost 19. Still won the Ashes though, so this team weirdly gets off the hook compared to the 90s sides.
Absolutely right. People who talk about how bad the 90s were must have been too young to follow the game in the 80s. Or maybe just blocked it out from their memory due to how depressing it all was. The wonder is that anyone from my generation stuck with the game at all.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
So
So other than that Ashes tour they won just one test over that period. Lol.
Yup, and that was one-off test at home to the emergent SL side in 1988. Part of the problem was the ridiculous number of players that the selectors picked during the home series; from memory, 26 in 1986, 28 in 1988 and 29 in 1989. Unfortunately the rules only allowed them to pick eleven for any given game, so the side was less than settled.
 
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Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
The one that springs to mind immediately is the England side under Flower that beat India and Australia home and away in 2010-12 with some huge margins but fell apart completely in 2013.
Yep but on the flip side when Strauss and flower took over Eng were bowled.out for 51 in the West Indies and ranked 5th (I think) in the world. Inside 2 years they'd beaten Aus away and whitewashed India and were ranked no 1
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
The one that springs to mind immediately is the England side under Flower that beat India and Australia home and away in 2010-12 with some huge margins but fell apart completely in 2013.
I reckon it happened sooner than that, with the 2012 win in India being the outlier. Going to play Pakistan in UAE as the number 1 side in the world and losing all 3 tests, and subsequently being well beaten by SA at home was the ultimate case of England's test team being unable to maintain their performances due to hubris and in-fighting.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah pretty sure Eng obtained the mace after the 4-0 over India in Eng. In 2012 when we won over there we weren't no 1 ranked team.
 

Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
Yeah pretty sure Eng obtained the mace after the 4-0 over India in Eng. In 2012 when we won over there we weren't no 1 ranked team.
That's right as we'd been thrashed by Pakistan and South Africa and only drawn in Sri Lanka in between.
 

Sunil1z

International Regular
SA’s rise was also remarkable. Between 2003 to mid 06 , they lost away in IND, PAK, SL , AUS , lost at home to ENG and AUS . Then from mid-2006 to 2014 , the lost at home to AUS in 09 and 14 , drew at home to ENG and IND , drew away in IND /UAE , but won every other series.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
India fell down pretty hard from their WC2011 high to 8-0 away.

Australia fell down in the mid 80s after the triple retirements.

WI were still competitive even after losing at home in 95. But then the wheels come completely off when they were whitewashed in Pakistan and SA. Very shocking.
 

Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
India fell down pretty hard from their WC2011 high to 8-0 away.

Australia fell down in the mid 80s after the triple retirements.

WI were still competitive even after losing at home in 95. But then the wheels come completely off when they were whitewashed in Pakistan and SA. Very shocking.
Over the long run, the descent of West Indies cricket during the 90s and the failure since to resurrect itself, T20 superstars aside, has to be the most profound fall.

However, the Aussies decline from 16 wins and WC winners in 2006-8 to their low point of 2010-12 was a sharper, more dramatic one.
 

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