Rashid Latif retires

[Gotchya]

Rashid Latif has announced retirement from Test Cricket. He will be available for the one-day format. Maybe Akmal's good show has prompted this move ? Pakistan will need an experienced campaigner on their WC tour though. I hope they dont ignore Rashid now (Akmal is a more than good prospect) but as i said WC is a big tournament and they will need an experienced hand behind the wickets.

But I think that Rashid has been wasted talent. He was a very good player and had he been given a decent run he would surely have flourished.

 

[Bazza]

From what I've seen Akmal is a very useful player. If Latif has retired from tests, he doesn't need to play at all. It's not like he's a world class performer in the league of an Allan Donald. If he doesn't want to play tests sod him, give the youngster your full support. Otherwise the message is "if he wanted to play tests, we'd pick him over you".

 

[R_Powell_fan]

Where does this put Moin Khan and Humayan Farhat ???

 

[royGilchrist]

Rashid has definetely been a been a wasted talent, a sad example of a person losing out for standing up against cheats (Saleem Malik et al). He was a very dependable and talented wicket keeper, unlike Moin, and had good sound technique as a batsman, again unlike Moin.

 

[yorker]

Originally posted by royGilchrist
Rashid has definetely been a been a wasted talent, a sad example of a person losing out for standing up against cheats (Saleem Malik et al). He was a very dependable and talented wicket keeper, unlike Moin, and had good sound technique as a batsman, again unlike Moin.

A bit too honest, a bit stupid ( having Moin in the team as a batsman when Rashid was captain, was like shooting on the foot) and didn't shared a good relationship with Akram (unlike Moin)

 

[royGilchrist]

Yeah he got ounished for being honest, and people like Akram became legends even if they were cheats.

 

[yorker]

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo
From what I've seen Akmal is a very useful player. If Latif has retired from tests, he doesn't need to play at all. It's not like he's a world class performer in the league of an Allan Donald. If he doesn't want to play tests sod him, give the youngster your full support. Otherwise the message is "if he wanted to play tests, we'd pick him over you".

Akmal is a very talented WK batter, and the good thing about him is that he can open the innings in onedayers( does that in domestic cricket) However he will be tested against SA, if he does well then he might get the nod for the WC!
However since he's inexperianced, it would be better if Pak stick with Rashid Lateef for such an important event!

 

[marc71178]

So do you lot expect Pakistan to pick just 1 keeper or 2, and if 1, who in the res of the team can do it in an emergency status (sort of like Trescothick)?

 

[royGilchrist]

Younis Khan?

 

[Gotchya]

The announcement from Rashid s a clear indication that he wants to play in the World Cup. Picking Akmal could be all very well, but remember WC 99 ? what happened in the final ? Youngsters faultered badly. Experience has no replacement. Akmal is a bright prospect sure, he can play in 2007 for the moment its Rashid.

 

[marc71178]

So that'd be Younis backing up Latif then?

I guess if they take the youngster, they'd want a proper back-up just in case.

 

[Gotchya]

Yes. And he is good batsman as well. That could help Pakistan's middle order. But I repeat the number one choice should be Rashid. Akmal will make a good reserve.

 

[R_Powell_fan]

Exuse me when I say I disagree, Moin Khan was as good (and probably better) than Latiff as far as batting goes.
IMO, people have bad opinions of M.Khan because of his last few years, Moin Khan was not a bad keeper, but Latiff was better... If Moin Khan was such a bad keeper how come he is the fastest to 200 victims in ODI cricket along with M.Boucher, his captaincy has certainly affected his Keeping behind the stumps as well as his batting, which lead to him losing confidence and being dropped eventually, so I think it would be a mistake calling him a bad keeper.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I agree fully. Moin was a pretty decent bat. He was certainly better than Latif (no disrespect) and very useful coming in late in ODI's. Also he was a pretty decent keeper.

 

[Gotchya]

Well, Moin's batting exploits (relative) were never in question. As far as one day cricket goes Moin is better at it. But, Moin is not the better keeper of the two. Him getting to 200 wickets has more to do with the Pakistani pace attack. I am sure if it had been Rashid in the gloves he would have had similar success. And Moins batting role was not a pivotal one in the one-day side so that argument dies down.

Moin had his moments, but overall he's not a great WK, he missed a lot of tricks. Rashid is much more safer and he's more liable to grab the chances that come his way then Moin. Moin has had the luck playing World Cups. At the moment though he's struggling at domestic level as well. But of course credit where its due, he helped Pakistan reach the Finals in the 92, and it was because of his clean hitting that Pakistan were able to polish off good totals in 99.

Now with Akmal in the ranks, I think Moin's inclusion is more at risk because both keepers seem dull when compared to Akmal's ability with the bat ! It's anyones grab atm !

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by Gotchya
Him getting to 200 wickets has more to do with the Pakistani pace attack.

How does a Wicket-Keeper get to 200 wickets?

 

[royGilchrist]

Here are a few stats (Im doing my best Anil impression )

In tests both have vitually the sme batting average of 28.3

In ODI batting averages:
Moin 23
Rashid 19.3
(So Moin slightly better)

In ODI, matches catches stumps:
Moin 190 191 66
Rashid 140 143 34
(So another virtual tie)

In tests, Matches catches stumps:
Moin 63 114 20
Rashid 34 102 10
(Rashid is way better)

Now this I think shows that Rashid is a better keeper, although people who have seen othn over the years will appreciate that Moin dropped many catches, while Rashid rarely did so. Unfortunately the way cricket stats are kept there are no stat for dropped catches, which for a long time I have believed should be also documented. But that is a debate for another day.

As far as Moin's batting is concerend I think I was wrong intially when I declared Rashid being better than Moin, and RPowell_Fan and Gotchya correctly pointed out that Moin played many vital innings for Pak, none more than the 1999 WC. I will rephrase my earlier statement, they are different types of batsmen who were both useful in their own way, although I still maintain that had Rashid been in the team consistently he could have become a dependable middle order batsman, with his natural technique. Moin would always be the slogger and ODI type batsman but still very useful.

Another thing that RPF correctly pointed out that Moin's performance deteriorated alot when he was made the captain both as a keeper and a batsman.

 

[royGilchrist]

Here are a few stats (Im doing my best Anil impression )

In tests both have vitually the sme batting average of 28.3

In ODI batting averages:
Moin 23
Rashid 19.3
(So Moin slightly better)

In ODI, matches catches stumps:
Moin 190 191 66
Rashid 140 143 34
(So another virtual tie)

In tests, Matches catches stumps:
Moin 63 114 20
Rashid 34 102 10
(Rashid is way better)

Now this I think shows that Rashid is a better keeper, although people who have seen othn over the years will appreciate that Moin dropped many catches, while Rashid rarely did so. Unfortunately the way cricket stats are kept there are no stat for dropped catches, which for a long time I have believed should be also documented. But that is a debate for another day.

As far as Moin's batting is concerend I think I was wrong intially when I declared Rashid being better than Moin, and RPowell_Fan and Gotchya correctly pointed out that Moin played many vital innings for Pak, none more than the 1999 WC. I will rephrase my earlier statement, they are different types of batsmen who were both useful in their own way, although I still maintain that had Rashid been in the team consistently he could have become a dependable middle order batsman, with his natural technique. Moin would always be the slogger and ODI type batsman but still very useful.

Another thing that RPF correctly pointed out that Moin's performance deteriorated alot when he was made the captain both as a keeper and a batsman.

 

[Gotchya]

How does a Wicket-Keeper get to 200 wickets?

As roy has said, he's dropped quite few, but due to the Pakistani attack he's had many oppurtunities. His conversion rate is not great. When he grounded one another one came right along......


Roy, I dont think those stats indicate a tie up. Look at the number of matches, Rashid is a clear 50 matches short. Shows how many oppurtunities Rashid has availed and how many Moin has drained.

 

[royGilchrist]

Roy, I dont think those stats indicate a tie up. Look at the number of matches, Rashid is a clear 50 matches short. Shows how many oppurtunities Rashid has availed and how many Moin has drained.

Im not sure which stats you are talking about. If you are talking about 'ODI dismissals' then that is a virtual tie as both ave roughly taken a catch per match, Rashid is 50 matches short but he is also 50 catches short.

Now your second sentence, 'shows how many rashid has availed and moin drained' makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Im not sure what stat shows that?