Players whose reputation during their career was an inaccurate reflection of how good they really were

[Brook's side]

Reputation can have been higher than their actual capability
Reputation can have been lower than their actual capability
Reputation CAN NOT have been the same or about the same as their actual capability

IF NAMING PLAYERS, PLEASE COULD YOU CLARIFY WHETHER YOU ARE LISTING THEM BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THEIR REPUTATION WAS TOO HIGH OR WHETHER BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT WAS TOO LOW. MANY THANKS.

 

[Arachnodouche]

All evens out. Your stats are exactly as good as your capabilities...unless your name is Sangakkara

 

[Daemon]

Overrated / underrated basically?

First thoughts for both are Pathan / Shakib respectively

 

[Ali TT]

All evens out. Your stats are exactly as good as your capabilities...unless your name is Sangakkara

Yeah, dragged down by 7-8 runs cause he was asked to be keeper for so long.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Overrated:
Lillee
Wasim
Qadir
Larwood
Ponting
Warne
Compton
Kanhai
Botham
Trumper


Underrated:
Barrington
Hadlee
Sutcliffe
Garner
Gavaskar
Younis Khan
Pollock
Walsh
Davidson
McGrath

 

[Adders]

McGrath underrated? Would have thought most would have him in the top 3?

 

[capt_Luffy]

McGrath underrated? Would have thought most would have him in the top 3?

In retrospect really. Most peers rated Akram higher for his era and Lillee for Australia; and media often portrayed him as Warne's understudy.

 

[Silver Silva]

Andrew Flintoff is overrated

 

[reyrey]

Brian Mcmillan
Merv Hughes
Fanie de Villiers
Saqlain
Walsh

 

[srbhkshk]

Shahid Afridi

 

[kyear2]

Overrated:
Lillee
Wasim
Qadir
Larwood
Ponting
Warne
Compton
Kanhai
Botham
Trumper


Underrated:
Barrington
Hadlee
Sutcliffe
Garner
Gavaskar
Younis Khan
Pollock
Walsh
Davidson
McGrath

Disagree with a couple names there.

Ponting is very much underrated

Gavaskar is not under rated in my opinion, think he's about right where's he's supposed to be.
The only way he's under, is if one believes he's a top 5 / 6 batsman which I don't believe he is.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Disagree with a couple names there.

Ponting is very much underrated

Gavaskar is not under rated in my opinion, think he's about right where's he's supposed to be.
The only way he's under, is if one believes he's a top 5 / 6 batsman which I don't believe he is.

I believe Gavaskar is ranked where around I would among batsmen, but many (actually most) put him in a separate tier to Richards, to which I disagree.

You could feel Ponting is rightfully rated, to which I definitely disagree, but I can't see how he can be underrated.....

 

[kyear2]

I believe Gavaskar is ranked where around I would among batsmen, but many (actually most) put him in a separate tier to Richards, to which I disagree.

You could feel Ponting is rightfully rated, to which I definitely disagree, but I can't see how he can be underrated.....

Yeah, don't think he's in the same tier as Smith / Lara / Hutton, far less Viv who I have higher.

Top 8 batsmen
Bradman

Tendulkar
Sobers
Hobbs
Richards

Smith
Lara
Hutton

Top 8 bowlers
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee

Steyn
Warne
Murali

Ambrose
Imran

Just a coincidence both are 8, but those are the top guys for me. Lillee close to the discussion.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, don't think he's in the same tier as Smith / Lara / Hutton, far less Viv who I have higher.

Top 8 batsmen
Bradman

Tendulkar
Sobers
Hobbs
Richards

Smith
Lara
Hutton

Top 8 bowlers
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee

Steyn
Warne
Murali

Ambrose
Imran

Just a coincidence both are 8, but those are the top guys for me. Lillee close to the discussion.

Let's agree to disagree then. Lillee doesn't makes my 12.

Bradman

Grace


Hobbs
Tendulkar
Sobers
Smith
Lara
Gavaskar
Richards
Hutton
Hammond

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Barnes

Murali
Warne
Steyn
Ambrose
Imran
Wasim
O'Reilly

 

[Brook's side]

Putting WG Grace after Bradman is just bizzare to me.
I can't imagine him scoring a run against modern attacks

I'm going to go WG Grace - over rated

 

[capt_Luffy]

Putting WG Grace after Bradman is just bizzare to me.
I can't imagine him scoring a run against modern attacks

I'm going to go WG Grace - over rated

That's frankly quite a brain dead take.

 

[Brook's side]

That's frankly quite a brain dead take.

On the field of play, the major change in the middle decades of the 19th century was in the area of bowling. Roundarm bowling (releasing the ball at shoulder level) was legalised in the 1830s, and this was followed by overarm bowling in the 1860s.

Meanwhile, the first county clubs were being formed, starting with Sussex in 1839. It was closely followed by Kent, Cambridgeshire, Nottinghamshire and Surrey, with other counties gradually appearing in the 1860s and 1870s. However, it was to be 1890 before the official county championship was instigated, Surrey being the winners in each of the first three seasons.

The lack of competitive cricket around the middle of the 19th century led to the setting up of two professionally-based circuits which toured round the country initially, before going on overseas tours, principally to Australia where cricket had already been established, the first recorded match there dating back to 1803.

Although the first official Test match between England and Australia took place in 1877, the sides could not be described as truly representative. For example, anybody who could raise a side to tour Australia could call it England (or an England XI). A mixture of professionally-led and amateur-led sides toured until MCC eventually agreed to take responsibility for the team in 1903-04.

 

[kyear2]

That's frankly quite a brain dead take.

Is it?

You can see him scoring runs vs modern attacks?

We've never even see him bat.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Is it?

You can see him scoring runs vs modern attacks?

We've never even see him bat.

THAT'S THE BRAIN DEAD PART ACTUALLY!! The "players whose reputation during career were inaccurate" means the player was either much better or worse than his reputation suggests; IN COMPARISON TO HIS PEERS AND PREDECESSORS. IT'S LIKE SAYING AFTER 50 YEARS SACHIN WAS OVERRATED BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T MAKE RUNS AGAINST THE NEWER GENETICALLY MODIFIED BOWLERS BOWLING 180+. What they will do if born later isn't the factor; the factor is WG Grace averaged close to THRICE as much as his closest competition for a solid 10 years and went on to play as the World's leading batsman for 30 more. Ignoring his contribution to the sport in brain-dead. Saying he would fail if he came to bat today or was born today is idiotic in this context.

 

[Brook's side]

THAT'S THE BRAIN DEAD PART ACTUALLY!! The "players whose reputation during career were inaccurate" means the player was either much better or worse than his reputation suggests; IN COMPARISON TO HIS PEERS AND PREDECESSORS. IT'S LIKE SAYING AFTER 50 YEARS SACHIN WAS OVERRATED BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T MAKE RUNS AGAINST THE NEWER GENETICALLY MODIFIED BOWLERS BOWLING 180+. What they will do if born later isn't the factor; the factor is WG Grace averaged close to THRICE as much as his closest competition for a solid 10 years and went on to play as the World's leading batsman for 30 more. Ignoring his contribution to the sport in brain-dead. Saying he would fail if he came to bat today or was born today is idiotic in this context.

nah