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***Official Under 19 World Cup Thread***

need4speed

Cricket Spectator
I think Aussies will COMFORTABLY beat Pakistan.
Aus-Ind final will be a much more comptetive.

Pakistan batting is too weak to chase anything more than 200 against Aussie bowling attack.
 
IqbalJaved said:
I heard that Abu Ahmed and Vijay YoMahesh the two Indian opening bowlers clocked
137 and 139 km/hr yesterday in the semi against England.

That's pretty impressive pace for a 17 yr old and 18 yr old respectively - well for Indians anyway.. What sort of speeds are the u-19 bowlers of Australia and Pakistan generating ?
I don't think their pacers are a match to India, from what i've heard Australian attack is good but there batting is thir real strength. Pak are said to be more of a team off allrounders.
 
need4speed said:
I think Aussies will COMFORTABLY beat Pakistan.
Aus-Ind final will be a much more comptetive.

Pakistan batting is too weak to chase anything more than 200 against Aussie bowling attack.
Pakistan will never produce quaity batsman, thats why they often end up losing to sides like Bangladesh
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
Good to see India starting to produce more tearaway pacers than before. Even Abu Nechim Ahmad and Vijay Yomahesh have clocked 137 and 139 kph at a low age in Sri Lankan conditions, which are very similar to India. This meaning that if they put in some extra effort, they can start to bowl in the 150s. Looking forward to seeing both the pacers as contenders for the Indian team soon alongwith VRV Singh and Munaf Patel.
 
TIF said:
Good to see India starting to produce more tearaway pacers than before. Even Abu Nechim Ahmad and Vijay Yomahesh have clocked 137 and 139 kph at a low age in Sri Lankan conditions, which are very similar to India. This meaning that if they put in some extra effort, they can start to bowl in the 150s. Looking forward to seeing both the pacers as contenders for the Indian team soon alongwith VRV Singh and Munaf Patel.
Yes, there is a battery of tearaway pacers in India nowdays, i personally have great hopes from Munaf Patel, who i think is going to rock opponent batsmen.
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
shankar said:
Shankar, what is there to laugh at it? :wacko: Ajaagarkarajaaja was right. India, does seem to have a huge battery of tearaway pacers. Also, India has one of the most under-rated bowling attacks in the world. There are lots of bowlers in India, who can consistenely bowl at over 140+ kph and some of them have done it as well.

The battery of tearaway pacers in India -

VRV Singh
Munaf Patel
Sree Santh
RP Singh - to some extent.
Vijay Yomahesh
Abu Nechim Ahmad
 

adharcric

International Coach
TIF said:
Shankar, what is there to laugh at it? :wacko: Ajaagarkarajaaja was right. India, does seem to have a huge battery of tearaway pacers. Also, India has one of the most under-rated bowling attacks in the world. There are lots of bowlers in India, who can consistenely bowl at over 140+ kph and some of them have done it as well.

The battery of tearaway pacers in India -

VRV Singh
Munaf Patel
Sree Santh
RP Singh - to some extent.
Vijay Yomahesh
Abu Nechim Ahmad
Alright, let's be honest, our definition of 'tearaway' is not the one Australia, England and Pakistan use. For us, 'tearaway' right now means someone who can hit 140 kph. This isn't such a huge deal among the top pace bowlers in the 3 countries mentioned above. Still, this is a good step and if these guys can bowl accurately at 140+, we'll be very well served.

Also, the ability to hit 140 won't always translate into a 140 kph bowler. There is someone like Brett Lee who can bowl beautiful deliveries on a consistent basis at 150 kph. He wouldn't be world-class if he just had that speed. We've already seen Sreesanth drop his pace to bowl more accurately in the 4th odi. Same with Pathan, who's been hitting a good line and length at a lower pace. With time, hopefully they can bowl accurately at full pace. The thing is, if someone's natural pace is around 135, he might bowl 130 with accuracy (Pathan?). If its 145, he might drop down to 140. Our 'tearaway' pacers need to be accurate and hopefully not lose much pace while doing so, otherwise they won't be genuine 'tearaways', even by our standard.
 
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shankar said:
You are laughing because till now India wasn't known for producing an express fast bowler.But if you ever cared to look at some of the youngsters in ur domestic cricket then you will realise that there are alot of quality tearaway pacers comming up.

Guys like Munaf Patel and VRV will be in the team soon.Infact VRV was called for national duty but he wasn't able to make it as he got injured at that time.I'm pretty much sure that India will have atleast 2 expressfast bowler in its squad for WC 2007
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
adharcric said:
Alright, let's be honest, our definition of 'tearaway' is not the one Australia, England and Pakistan uses. For us, 'tearaway' right now means someone who can hit 140 kph. This isn't such a huge deal among the top pace bowlers in the 3 countries mentioned above. Still, this is a good step and if these guys can bowl accurately at 140+, we'll be very well served.
Thats the point, Adharcric. The definition of a tearaway pacer in India is someone who can bowl in the 140s, which is almost 5-10 kph less than the definition of a tearaway in Pakistan and Australia.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Anyone want to take me on a avatar challenge on Nepal winning the plate final. I very confident my 2nd fav boys will get up over an average NZ side. Why couldn't they play to their potential during the group stages.

Come on you kiwi put you money where your mouth is, any takers?
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think the NZ side is that average. Its the fact that they don't have the opportunity like other U19 sides to play overseas, so it's taken them a little longer to get up to speed with the heat & pitch conditions. And in a World Cup, you can't be starting to get better by the time the tournament is over.
The NZC needs to start looking at sending our U19 team overseas more often.

As for the challenge. Sure...im pretty positive NZ will win.
 

shankar

International Debutant
TIF said:
Shankar, what is there to laugh at it? :wacko: Ajaagarkarajaaja was right. India, does seem to have a huge battery of tearaway pacers. Also, India has one of the most under-rated bowling attacks in the world. There are lots of bowlers in India, who can consistenely bowl at over 140+ kph and some of them have done it as well.
There are 2 - Munaf Patel and VRV Singh who reportedly can bowl at 145 kmph. That does not constitute a huge 'tearaway' pacer battery.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Tim said:
I don't think the NZ side is that average. Its the fact that they don't have the opportunity like other U19 sides to play overseas, so it's taken them a little longer to get up to speed with the heat & pitch conditions. And in a World Cup, you can't be starting to get better by the time the tournament is over.
The NZC needs to start looking at sending our U19 team overseas more often.

As for the challenge. Sure...im pretty positive NZ will win.
LOL why is always someone with a ugly mug of themselves that take up the challenge. Maybe they're tired of seeing their ugly face, over and over. :p

Ok when Nepal win, you can have a pic of Nepal celebrating winning the Plate Championship

What for me?
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
shankar said:
There are 2 - Munaf Patel and VRV Singh who reportedly can bowl at 145 kmph. That does not constitute a huge 'tearaway' pacer battery.
Shankar, the Indian defintion of a tearaway pacer is 140+ kph and not 145+ kph as you said. Although Munaf Patel and VRV Singh can bowl at 145+ kph, but for the ones who can bowl at 140+ kph, we have Sree Santh, RP Singh, Abu Nechim Ahmad and Vijay Yohamesh and 2-3 others as well.
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
Tim said:
I don't think the NZ side is that average. Its the fact that they don't have the opportunity like other U19 sides to play overseas, so it's taken them a little longer to get up to speed with the heat & pitch conditions. And in a World Cup, you can't be starting to get better by the time the tournament is over.
The NZC needs to start looking at sending our U19 team overseas more often.

As for the challenge. Sure...im pretty positive NZ will win.
Nepal, have never had the opportunity to play more matches against test-playing nations at the u-19 level and most surprisingly, they were left out of the Afro-Asia u-19 cup, but hopefully, Nepal will play in the next Afro-Asia u-19 tournament.

It has taken a longer time for Nepal than the test-playing nations to get up into the conditions here and their losses to England and Zimbabwe, can be attributed to the fact that they havent played a test-playing nation at the u-19 level since 2004, but however, the Nepalis arrive a lot earlier than other teams tp play the u-19 world cup to get a feel of the conditions.

Nepal, must start to play more matches against test-playing nations at u-19 level and send a team to the tournaments like Asia cup and Afro-Asia cup as well.

As for New Zealand, they are still struggling. They conceded 304 runs to Ireland and were thrashed by Pakistan. Nepal, are yet to recieve a thrashing at the u-19 level. I would say that Nepal are the favourites for the Plate final. A win over USA doesnt mean anything, when you have allowed Ireland to post 304 and could manage only 78 against Pakistan.
 

shankar

International Debutant
TIF said:
Shankar, the Indian defintion of a tearaway pacer is 140+ kph and not 145+ kph as you said. Although Munaf Patel and VRV Singh can bowl at 145+ kph, but for the ones who can bowl at 140+ kph, we have Sree Santh, RP Singh, Abu Nechim Ahmad and Vijay Yohamesh and 2-3 others as well.
It's better then to just classify them as 140+ because calling bowlers like Sreesanth, tearaways just sounds ridiculous.
 

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