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*Official* South Africa in New Zealand 2022

Moss

Moss

International Captain
CdG may be close to the end of his test career, but none of the quick bowlers are fit to take his place at no.7 in the lineup even though they may have/had the raw batting chops. All of them to varying degrees follow the Southee playbook when it comes to batting. Jamieson probably comes closest but doesn't seem to care much about improving his ability in that area (based on the manner of his dismissals - can only recall him holing out).

Of course you would argue it's not their job and as long they're taking wickets it probably doesn't matter. But thinking back to how the likes of Nash and Vettori, and later Mark Craig could make life difficult for opposition bowlers, I think NZ are missing out on a potential strength here.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Moss said:
CdG may be close to the end of his test career, but none of the quick bowlers are fit to take his place at no.7 in the lineup even though they may have/had the raw batting chops. All of them to varying degrees follow the Southee playbook when it comes to batting. Jamieson probably comes closest but doesn't seem to care much about improving his ability in that area (based on the manner of his dismissals - can only recall him holing out).

Of course you would argue it's not their job and as long they're taking wickets it probably doesn't matter. But thinking back to how the likes of Nash and Vettori, and later Mark Craig could make life difficult for opposition bowlers, I think NZ are missing out on a potential strength here.
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It is definitely their job too. I don`t agree that bowler`s job is only to take wickets. That is the primary reason why India gets wiped out once 6 wickets are gone. But Jamieson, Henry, Wagner and whichever spinner you take can all bat. So, the team can live without CDG, especially if Mitchell plays too.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Moss said:
CdG may be close to the end of his test career, but none of the quick bowlers are fit to take his place at no.7 in the lineup even though they may have/had the raw batting chops. All of them to varying degrees follow the Southee playbook when it comes to batting. Jamieson probably comes closest but doesn't seem to care much about improving his ability in that area (based on the manner of his dismissals - can only recall him holing out).

Of course you would argue it's not their job and as long they're taking wickets it probably doesn't matter. But thinking back to how the likes of Nash and Vettori, and later Mark Craig could make life difficult for opposition bowlers, I think NZ are missing out on a potential strength here.
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We could just play 6 batters, a keeper, and the 4 quicks (especially if Ravindra and/or Phillips are part of the top 6).
 
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ashley bach

Cricketer Of The Year
Moss said:
CdG may be close to the end of his test career, but none of the quick bowlers are fit to take his place at no.7 in the lineup even though they may have/had the raw batting chops. All of them to varying degrees follow the Southee playbook when it comes to batting. Jamieson probably comes closest but doesn't seem to care much about improving his ability in that area (based on the manner of his dismissals - can only recall him holing out).

Of course you would argue it's not their job and as long they're taking wickets it probably doesn't matter. But thinking back to how the likes of Nash and Vettori, and later Mark Craig could make life difficult for opposition bowlers, I think NZ are missing out on a potential strength here.
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bowlers that say it's not their job to get runs if they're taking wickets is a situation I really detest.
if it's a close test match, it simply could be the winning of the match if a player decides to grind out 20-25 runs.
it's not just the runs they score, but if it's done with a more senior batsman, then the partnership could easily be 50/60+runs.
if 2 bowlers can chip in with such a feat, the difference in a tight game is overwhelming.
the psychological affect on the fielding team when this happens is actually worth its weight in gold.
bowlers should treat their wicket with respect, and put a cost on it like it really matters.
Kyle Jamieson started his career very well, possibly even getting his average early on to over 50, but since then it just looks
like he hasn't really given a toss, and now it invariably appears that he throws his wicket away.
he has more ability than what he has produced lately, someone in the right position needs to have serious words with him,
in other words give him a good kick up the arse and enlighten him just what the real value of a test wicket is.
it's all very well throwing your wicket away when the team is heading for a big victory, but still, getting into a good habit is going
to help big time when you play tests that are close and can go either way.
as far as the Southee playbook goes, he plays by his own book like no other.
don't want to dribble on about what I've said before, but for me there's no doubt he should be batting at number 11.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
ashley bach said:
bowlers that say it's not their job to get runs if they're taking wickets is a situation I really detest.
if it's a close test match, it simply could be the winning of the match if a player decides to grind out 20-25 runs.
it's not just the runs they score, but if it's done with a more senior batsman, then the partnership could easily be 50/60+runs.
if 2 bowlers can chip in with such a feat, the difference in a tight game is overwhelming.
the psychological affect on the fielding team when this happens is actually worth its weight in gold.
bowlers should treat their wicket with respect, and put a cost on it like it really matters.
Kyle Jamieson started his career very well, possibly even getting his average early on to over 50, but since then it just looks
like he hasn't really given a toss, and now it invariably appears that he throws his wicket away.
he has more ability than what he has produced lately, someone in the right position needs to have serious words with him,
in other words give him a good kick up the arse and enlighten him just what the real value of a test wicket is.
it's all very well throwing your wicket away when the team is heading for a big victory, but still, getting into a good habit is going
to help big time when you play tests that are close and can go either way.
as far as the Southee playbook goes, he plays by his own book like no other.
don't want to dribble on about what I've said before, but for me there's no doubt he should be batting at number 11.
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ok
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Today, Ravindra should play ahead of CdG. I know they wont, its Hagley after all. But should be looking a little further ahead than playing a 35 year old in a cushy almost specialist batsman at 7 role.

I like CdG. Glad he's in the squad as he covers 2 to 3 positions. Theres no one I'd rather have more covering Jamieson and Wagner at 3rd and 4th seamer direct replacements. Theres other permutations on top of this he provides cover for which make him such good squad cover now and good first team balance in the pre-Jamieson days.

But I don't want him replacing the spinner/allrounder spot, with this balance.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Hamza injured, Olivier and Stuurman left out. Mulder/Maharaj/Sipamla replaces them. WIll be interesting to see. NZ unchanged.

SA bat first lol. According to cricinfo the wicket is flatter, but still feels like a move set up to backfire.
 
Meridio

Meridio

International Regular
Interesting move to bat first by SA. Be very surprised if the pitch breaks up at all, all conventional wisdom for NZ (outside of maybe Bay Oval) says batting just gets easier each day. Few early wickets and the jitters will set in you'd think.
 
SillyCowCorner1

SillyCowCorner1

Moooo
I was just looking up statsguru to see what's the highest opening partnership by a visiting team in the first innings of a test match in NZ.
Adrian Griffith and Sherwin Campbell's 276 stands tall.
 
nzfan

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
Pretty courageous call from Elgar and backing up so far. Took the conditions, toss out of the equation by choosing to opt first. It makes sense with South Africa fielding a spinner. Bowling 4th is the best option if playing with a spinner. Not sure how much it'll break up, probably none but hope we haven't missed a trick by playing CDG. Luckily we are bowling third and not fourth so we should be fine with 5 seamers.
 
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